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[Bruce Wayne]

'Kinda sense'? Ever thought of a career in politics, you having your finger on the pulse and all?

I've hung out in the EU thread too long. Evidence and stuff is for suckers.

 

[peteblue]

It's an interesting one isn't it? I kinda get the impression the northern Labour voters (we can call them Joey if you like) aren't that keen on him, but vote Labour because a) they've always voted Labour, and b) they'd never vote Tory. I could see McDonnell appealing to this demographic more than Corbyn, and it's perhaps a moot point as to whether he or Corbyn are more left than the other. The younger demographic, especially those in larger cities seemed to be more enthusiastic supporters of Corbyn, but they're also more enthusiastic opponents of Brexit. I kinda sense that they're beginning to feel as betrayed by him on that as they felt by the Lib Dems over tuition fees.

The Labour Party are finished. Brexit will kill them off......

 

[peteblue]

I've hung out in the EU thread too long. Evidence and stuff is for suckers.

Where did you read that......

 

[bullybeef]

Corbin is unelectable.

Labour Party needs a new credible leader.

 

[DanEFC92]

Corbin is unelectable.

Labour Party needs a new credible leader.

Such as?

 

[jackyboy]

Get a new leader?

Who?

Just someone new innit.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Who do you replace Crobyn (Or May) with who's any good or even just more electable at this stage? Is there some secret group of amazing MP's (even just one would do!) who've been hiding all this time just waiting for the right moment to come forward and save the country? Because I see nobody in either the Conservative or Labour party that's any better then the two current leaders and the smaller parties are an even bigger joke. Our politicians our absolutely useless, most of them aren't fit to run a stall in a market let alone the country. The referendum really has lifted the lid on the incompetence, stupidity and general corruption of our elected representatives for everyone to see.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Who do you replace Crobyn (Or May) with who's any good or even just more electable at this stage? Is there some secret group of amazing MP's (even just one would do!) who've been hiding all this time just waiting for the right moment to come forward and save the country? Because I see nobody in either the Conservative or Labour party that's any better then the two current leaders and the smaller parties are an even bigger joke. Our politicians our absolutely useless, most of them aren't fit to run a stall in a market let alone the country. The referendum really has lifted the lid on the incompetence, stupidity and general corruption of our elected representatives for everyone to see.

Well there is one man...

 

[Number_25]

I suppose the interesting thing is what happens to his policies when they come into contact with reality. I don't follow Greek news that closely, but I'm sure you read our favourite publication's assessment of Syriza this week, and how they have moved quite a bit to the centre out of necessity (and the Greek economy is stronger than it has been for many years as a result). I suspect Corbyn will do likewise.

(he won't)

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Barry Gardener went against Labour conference policy earlier on Today. It wouldn't surprise me if a contradictory statement doesn't emerge before too long, but what on earth is Labour doing? Suggesting revoking Article 50 is on a par with no deal. Ffs. What a shambles

 

[edge]

Barry Gardener went against Labour conference policy earlier on Today. It wouldn't surprise me if a contradictory statement doesn't emerge before too long, but what on earth is Labour doing? Suggesting revoking Article 50 is on a par with no deal. Ffs. What a shambles

Bruce mate, i don't know what Labour are up to at all seem to be going along day to day, from not backing a second referendum to backing one, a wish list rather than a achievable Brexit plan, missing a shocking list of open goals against a pretty ragged Tory party.
Very poor opposition in my eyes , need to have a long hard look at themselves looks likes Starmer is leading the party more than Corbyn which even if not true, says a lot about quality the leadership.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Bruce mate, i don't know what Labour are up to at all seem to be going along day to day, from not backing a second referendum to backing one, a wish list rather than a achievable Brexit plan, missing a shocking list of open goals against a pretty ragged Tory party.
Very poor opposition in my eyes , need to have a long hard look at themselves looks likes Starmer is leading the party more than Corbyn which even if not true, says a lot about quality the leadership.

It's been awful across the board.

 

[tsubaki]

Bruce mate, i don't know what Labour are up to at all seem to be going along day to day, from not backing a second referendum to backing one, a wish list rather than a achievable Brexit plan, missing a shocking list of open goals against a pretty ragged Tory party.
Very poor opposition in my eyes , need to have a long hard look at themselves looks likes Starmer is leading the party more than Corbyn which even if not true, says a lot about quality the leadership.

Labour's policy is to try and get a general election, if they can't get that then a Brexit deal that has cross-party support (a customs union, basically) and if they can't get that a second referendum. The confusion comes because of the way this is reported, and because - amazingly - all of them are still viable because of the mess the Government is in.

As for "very poor opposition in my eyes" - the May premiership of 2017-2019 holds the record Parliamentary defeat suffered by a government of all time, and another one of the top five. The government that holds the other three biggest defeats had 142 seats. Those defeats happened largely because of another defeat imposed on May (the meaningful vote amendment to the Withdrawal Bill). We have never had an opposition as good as this.

 

[dandydan]

Labour's policy is to try and get a general election, if they can't get that then a Brexit deal that has cross-party support (a customs union, basically) and if they can't get that a second referendum. The confusion comes because of the way this is reported, and because - amazingly - all of them are still viable because of the mess the Government is in.

As for "very poor opposition in my eyes" - the May premiership of 2017-2019 holds the record Parliamentary defeat suffered by a government of all time, and another one of the top five. The government that holds the other three biggest defeats had 142 seats. Those defeats happened largely because of another defeat imposed on May (the meaningful vote amendment to the Withdrawal Bill). We have never had an opposition as good as this.

I'd say we've never had a prime minister so inept.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Labour's policy is to try and get a general election, if they can't get that then a Brexit deal that has cross-party support (a customs union, basically) and if they can't get that a second referendum. The confusion comes because of the way this is reported, and because - amazingly - all of them are still viable because of the mess the Government is in.

As for "very poor opposition in my eyes" - the May premiership of 2017-2019 holds the record Parliamentary defeat suffered by a government of all time, and another one of the top five. The government that holds the other three biggest defeats had 142 seats. Those defeats happened largely because of another defeat imposed on May (the meaningful vote amendment to the Withdrawal Bill). We have never had an opposition as good as this.

I agree with most of what you say but I don’t see what good a GE will do. Neither side will get a landslide. It seems to me very likely that we could have a GE and then end up exactly where we started except looking even more ridiculous.