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[dholliday]

FFS sake I mentioned the Israeli government earlier in all of my earlier posts. I messed up in that one post. I think people who've been following this thread knew what I meant.

Thanks for not addressing my personally. Quite snidey tbh

It shouldn't be necessary to always have to be so careful. But it is intended (*controlling language).

When we say the americans invaded Iraq and drone-murdered thousands of innnocent Arab civilians, we mean the american government and its people, we don't mean Average Joe from 31st Street. Same goes for Israel, Nazi Germany and any other war-crime entity.

 

[dholliday]

That the terms Jew / Zionist / Israeli are seen as interchangeable by some is precisely the problem here.

Who's using it interchangeably? Is there a quote from someone doing that?

 

[tsubaki]

Who's using it interchangeably? Is there a quote from someone doing that?

Yes, in that post of larry's which he admits he posted in error. You also come very close to it in several posts.

 

[dholliday]

Yes, in that post of larry's which he admits he posted in error. You also come very close to it in several posts.

And what does it mean that I came 'very close to it' ? Which quote from me? In the context of supposed rife anti-semitism in the Labour Party, if some MP's also have come 'very close to it', does that put them in the problem camp?

It's deflection, empowered by NLP. Those MP's will be treading water so carefully they'll end up not bothering criticising Israel for fear of being put back in the problem camp.

Which is the idea.

 

[tsubaki]

And what does it mean that I came 'very close to it' ? Which quote from me? In the context of supposed rife anti-semitism in the Labour Party, if some MP's also have come 'very close to it', does that put them in the problem camp?

It's deflection, empowered by NLP. Those MP's will be treading water so carefully they'll end up not bothering criticising Israel for fear of being put back in the problem camp.

Which is the idea.

It was actually two quotes:

He who controls language controls thought.

What if some of the conspiracy theories about jewish influence on the US (and thus globally) have some truth to them? Is it still out-of-bounds to discuss this?

Which was followed by:

Those industries are American. National companies buying influence within their own national politics to improve profits is the natural order of things.

A foreign nation buying influence at the top-tier nation of the world to better justify their war crimes within the international court of opinion? That's a whole different story.

 

[magicjuan]

You've literally liked a post saying the Jews killed, injured and stolen land off the Palestinians.

I liked that post, because personally, I correlated it with the actions perpetrated within the confines of context, I didn't envisage jewish people from England or Sweden or wherever helping physically or being responsible. I don't take the generalisations, I choose to seperate Isis from Islam, IRA from Catholicism, Irgun from Judaism.
I get exactly what you've explained, totally, I get the interpretations but it seems to be with accepted intent, unintentional or not, on one side and the agenda, imho an extremely subversive agenda, is being sidelined in semantics.
What have the Romans done for us? That scene seems to be playing out, while the discussions are on words actions are being taken to influence political business by outside forces, and they're not even Russians, or Romans for that matter.

 

[dholliday]

It was actually two quotes:



Which was followed by:

See Juan:

an extremely subversive agenda, is being sidelined in semantics.

 

[tsubaki]

See Juan:

 

[magicjuan]

There is no sound evidence to back the claims of Labour’s antisemitism

Respected academic Harvey Goldstein is Professor of Social Statistics, University of Bristol, and Professor of Statistics, University College…

www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk

Self hating jew if he was on ITV. Is that appropriate given the context? It's sourced evidence contrary to one side of the argument.

 

[tsubaki]

There is no sound evidence to back the claims of Labour’s antisemitism

Respected academic Harvey Goldstein is Professor of Social Statistics, University of Bristol, and Professor of Statistics, University College…

www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk

Self hating jew if he was on ITV. Is that appropriate given the context? It's sourced evidence contrary to one side of the argument.

Also on JVL's site is this, from Justin Schlosberg:

Labour and antisemitism: a final word

A personal statement by media analyst and Labour left activist, Justin Schlosberg, in which he looks at why…

www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk

 

[dholliday]

 

[tsubaki]

not your finest hour this

 

[dholliday]

not your finest hour this

i could say the same for you, tsu.

we're at the agree to disagree stage, we're otherwise of similar opinion on stuff so it's all good

 

[magicjuan]

So many perspectives and interpretations it's no wonder those who have opposed bigotry across the board are now called anti semitic

 

[Tubey]

So many perspectives and interpretations it's no wonder those who have opposed bigotry across the board are now called anti semitic

There's not - there's only other 'interpretations' if you are desperately seeking one.

It really is very straightforward.