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[bring the ghost on]

Labour needs to be a broad church if it wants any future.

If we start with the "chuck all of the centre-ground/neo-cons" out, we end up with two parties on the left/centre-left, and indefinite Tory rule.

We just can't have that in a FPTP electoral system. The Tories have a broad array of views (from centre to extreme right), and Labour needs to be able to accommodate the same on the left.

I sympathise with a lot of Corbyn's views, but his leadership is poor, he's been terrible at conveying his message on Brexit and he doesn't have what it takes to be the PM, in my humble opinion.

Labour needs a new leader and a new progressive ideology - something which is a departure from New Labour, but not just harking back to the past (because times have moved on and Corbyn is perceived as being a blast from the past/Old Labour).

 

[tsubaki]

You might want to re-read that.....

Pete - list all of your favourite memes about Corbyn the anti-semite. I bet the vast majority of them refer to events before September 2015.

 

[Number_25]

Another scab gone.

 

[peteblue]

The message is amostky about anti-semitism. Now I;m not being cruel here, but no one is really arsed in day to day life about so called anti-semitism...they just aren't.

I';m happy to see the next election (which will be soon now IMO) go to the Tories. They'll suffer the Brexit era and own it, and Labour candidates will get the quick chance to put these neo-cons who just jumped ship in the bin where they belong.

The LP left need time to get the bloodletting done. Once the bulk of the Blairites are out then a real LP will re-emerge.

It's a battle that needed fighting two years ago. But there;'s no time like the present.

I think you may find that all of those kids and students who voted for Corbyn may now reconsider. But we’ll find out at the the next GE.....

 

[peteblue]

Pete - list all of your favourite memes about Corbyn the anti-semite. I bet the vast majority of them refer to events before September 2015.

I still can’t see what the post I referred to was actually saying......sorry....

 

[davek]

I think you may find that all of those kids and students who voted for Corbyn may now reconsider. But we’ll find out at the the next GE.....

We'll find out a lot next time, like who a Farage party takes votes off and how many Tories fight as independents.

It's all to play for.

Apart from that electoral bollocks though: a LP with less and less Blairites in makes me a happy bunny.

 

[peteblue]

We'll find out a lot next time, like who a Farage party takes votes off and how many Tories fight as independents.

It's all to play for.

Apart from that electoral bollocks though: a LP with less and less Blairites in makes me a happy bunny.

I’m not sure letting Degsy back in helps mind......

 

[tsubaki]

I still can’t see what the post I referred to was actually saying......sorry....

Not sure how much clearer I can state it, but Joan Ryan said that "the problem (anti-Jewish racism) simply did not exist before he (Corbyn) was elected leader". A lot of the instances that have been cited about Corbyn - meeting Salah, calling Hamas "friends", that wreathe laying etc etc - all happened before Corbyn was elected leader. Corbyn was a Labour MP at the time.

 

[edge]

Get them all out.

This is a massive opportunity to cleanse the LP of these neo-con, weaned on the teat of Washington, Quislings.

really like that post , shows real passion

 

[peteblue]

Not sure how much clearer I can state it, but Joan Ryan said that "the problem (anti-Jewish racism) simply did not exist before he (Corbyn) was elected leader". A lot of the instances that have been cited about Corbyn - meeting Salah, calling Hamas "friends", that wreathe laying etc etc - all happened before Corbyn was elected leader. Corbyn was a Labour MP at the time.

Ah, you didn’t use the word leader previously, you just said elected, which threw me......

 

[davek]

I’m not sure letting Degsy back in helps mind......

I like it. It's basically a symbolic massive finger to the Blairites.

 

[tsubaki]

Ah, you didn’t use the word leader previously, you just said elected, which threw me......

The key was reading the post by @DanEFC92 that I was responding to

 

[tsubaki]

really like that post , shows real passion

TBF they have to be pretty heavily fixated on that teat if they think Trump appointing someone linked to a massacre in Latin America to oversee an intervention elsewhere in Latin America is a good idea, especially given the history of previous US interventions in the region. I mean there wasn't even any pause for thinking over it, they just dived in and pronounced it good.

 

[The binman chronicles]

People just rehash the same tosh they´ve been fed by the media for the last 20 years and think it´s still relevant today.

It;s disappointing. Zero thought goes into these claims. It really isn't rocket science either.

Views like this aren't helping either. If you think the reason why Labour lost the last 3 elections is that they had too many moderates/Blairites/Liberal/Tory lites, or however you want to put it then I think you will end up very disappointed.

I can understand you live in a hotbed of Labour and the excitement and the sense that you are finally going to achieve a lasting social change, but if you come to where I live there is none of that.

As far as I can see it the only way Labour win the next election is if the Tories have a complete meltdown and have taken the economy with them (And days like yesterday and today just reinforce that view). If that happens then Corbyn with a manifesto packed full of noble but expensive promises has to try and implement it at a point when the economy is going backwards. That will lead to either a massive deficit that will cause him to be booted out after one term or if they are sensible, then everyone will berate them for not changing enough.

You win elections by broadening your voting base not trimming it.

 

[tsubaki]

Views like this aren't helping either. If you think the reason why Labour lost the last 3 elections is that they had too many moderates/Blairites/Liberal/Tory lites, or however you want to put it then I think you will end up very disappointed.

I can understand you live in a hotbed of Labour and the excitement and the sense that you are finally going to achieve a lasting social change, but if you come to where I live there is none of that.

As far as I can see it the only way Labour win the next election is if the Tories have a complete meltdown and have taken the economy with them (And days like yesterday and today just reinforce that view). If that happens then Corbyn with a manifesto packed full of noble but expensive promises has to try and implement it at a point when the economy is going backwards. That will lead to either a massive deficit that will cause him to be booted out after one term or if they are sensible, then everyone will berate them for not changing enough.

You win elections by broadening your voting base not trimming it.

That last bit is why they lost those three elections though, and those who have left do not represent (or want) a broadening of the voting base anyway. If they did, they would acknowledge that a referendum took place in 2016 and Remain lost.