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Black Belt Jones said:
She is time-served and popular here, Mikey - majority over 30% but has a lot of personal stock in that figure. The good folk of Stockport aren't going to accept some momentum undergraduate as labour MP, doubt she'd have any problems with a by-election. It's a fary cry from Berger's situation, say, who is deeply unpopular in her constituency and would easily be unseated by a momentum undergraduate, despite a huge majority as obv no one in Wavertree is voting Tory ever.
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If they hadn't moved the constituency lines I might be inclined to agree, but I think a lot of her more ardent supporters are now in Gwynne's constituency (Where I was living until recently) and I think Stockport at large is more interested in getting a Labour MP in

The point is moot anyway because she's not had the bollocks to test the theory out
 
orchard said:
And if Blair didn't like the constitution of a party, why did he join and then change it rther than form a new one?
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His was the most successful Labour government in history. It feels like that has been forgotten somewhat. Corbyn was a person who was included on the leadership ballot not because he represented the majority of the party, but as a charity gesture to 'broaden the debate'. To suggest in a few years he's gone from an outsider to the living embodiment of his party seems a stretch to me.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
His was the most successful Labour government in history. It feels like that has been forgotten somewhat. Corbyn was a person who was included on the leadership ballot not because he represented the majority of the party, but as a charity gesture to 'broaden the debate'. To suggest in a few years he's gone from an outsider to the living embodiment of his party seems a stretch to me.
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Yes, but you're arbitrarily choosing New Labour as your point of reference,not the party that's been existent for yonks.
Fwiw, i have voted for labour only under Corbyn, but was very annoyed when Ashdown compromised his party to facillitate Blair, whom i have always detested.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
His was the most successful Labour government in history. It feels like that has been forgotten somewhat. Corbyn was a person who was included on the leadership ballot not because he represented the majority of the party, but as a charity gesture to 'broaden the debate'. To suggest in a few years he's gone from an outsider to the living embodiment of his party seems a stretch to me.
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His was a 'new Labour' government. Different in many ways.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
They're leaving the party because they feel it doesn't reflect them and their views any more (and indeed many have been wanting them to leave for years). Given how often Corbyn went against the Labour government, I'd have thought the comparison is quite clear, as he could (and was) prompted to do exactly the same. He was not only not turfed out by the Blairite wing of the party (although perhaps not for the want of trying), he was also included in the leadership election to diversify opinion. Would the same happen now?
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Think you have spent too much time with your Brexiteers, their confabulation is wearing off, Corbyn had to face another leadership election because some could not accept democracy first time round and they can't accept democracy second time round either.
Both times Corbyn has faced plethora of what Labour offers, and twice Corbyn tore them new back passages. And now they just prolonging inevitable act of democracy, by running off.
 
wba83 said:
Derek Hatton has rejoined the Labour Party what do people make of that then . I was only a kid when he was around in merseyside people seem to have very mixed opinions
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...the fact that a political savvy city like Liverpool continually returned a Liberal Council could be a reflection of the Hatton years and sadly the Labour Party is going back to those times.

Ironic people calling MPs outcasts for disagreeing with Corbyn, yet he continually voted against the Labour whip when a backbencher. Politics of Militant bullying is back.
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
I never mentioned personality mate, I'm talking about MPs merits and beliefs as an individual. Just having faceless clowns who hide behind party banners is why we have such shocking MP's.

People should be elected based on their own individual merits and beliefs. Not because they have a blue or red rosette.

Personality politics would mean overlooking a better candidate for a less suited candidate purely on the basis of them being less charismatic.
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It's the policy that matters not individual MPs, at times there will be a particular local issue any individual MP may shine with, however, it's the policy that any party pursues or government implements, that what matters through the life time of the majority of the electorate. MPs are their to sell us their party policies in the first instance.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Think you have spent too much time with your Brexiteers, their confabulation is wearing off, Corbyn had to face another leadership election because some could not accept democracy first time round and they can't accept democracy second time round either.
Both times Corbyn has faced plethora of what Labour offers, and twice Corbyn tore them new back passages. And now they just prolonging inevitable act of democracy, by running off.
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I'm not sure which is more disturbing, the thought of Joe et al being my Brexiteers or Corbyn meddling with anyone's back passage.
 
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