Current Affairs The Labour Party

[davek]

We're in the eye of a storm created by a conservative putting party above the country. It's highly unlikely any others would do any different. Those tories who jumped to UKIP at least had the gumption to go through a bye-election iirc?

Say what you like about Carswell etc, they at least had the integrity to go to the electorate and face the music, and a self belief that they'd prevail. The shambles that's just been shat out of Labour? No chance on both counts.

 

[davek]

He makes my blood boil. He is the rightful heir to Mandy's crown, a careerist in the truest sense of the word.

I think he holds a particular honour in British Labour politics: despised by both the left and the Blairite right - and even sections of the middle ground.

How a trade union continues to fund that feller after all his treachery against the LP leadership and bung taking is a mystery to me.

 

[magicjuan]

I think he holds a particular honour in British Labour politics: despised by both the left and the Blairite right - and even sections of the middle ground.

How a trade union continues to fund that feller after all his treachery against the LP leadership and bung taking is a mystery to me.

He has funding from elsewhere too whi h shows he has different pipers playing his tune.
Unfortunately some of the electorate equate him being on telly a lot with being a good MP or deputy leader. His presence front and centre is unnerving, he has, as someone once phrased, 'something of the night about him'.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

It really shouldn't be allowed that you can switch parties and then keep your seat without having to call a bi-election

The people of Stockport voted for Labour, not Ann Coffey, she should be forced face the electorate

While that's perfectly true I do think it's rather sad and speaks volumes about our flawed system that people are being voted in based on the party they represent rather then on the basis of their own individual merits.

 

[magicjuan]

While that's perfectly true I do think it's rather sad and speaks volumes about our flawed system that people are being voted in based on the party they represent rather then on the basis of their own individual merits.

Isn't that just personality politics?

 

[davek]

He has funding from elsewhere too whi h shows he has different pipers playing his tune.
Unfortunately some of the electorate equate him being on telly a lot with being a good MP or deputy leader. His presence front and centre is unnerving, he has, as someone once phrased, 'something of the night about him'.

He's made a LOT of enemies across the board. He'll get his one day - soon hopefully.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

What are you going on about it's not even comparable. Genuinely confused by your comparison because their is none. Seven MPs leaving the labour party while still being paid by the labour party to set up another party is not the same as voting against the whip.

They're leaving the party because they feel it doesn't reflect them and their views any more (and indeed many have been wanting them to leave for years). Given how often Corbyn went against the Labour government, I'd have thought the comparison is quite clear, as he could (and was) prompted to do exactly the same. He was not only not turfed out by the Blairite wing of the party (although perhaps not for the want of trying), he was also included in the leadership election to diversify opinion. Would the same happen now?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Say what you like about Carswell etc, they at least had the integrity to go to the electorate and face the music, and a self belief that they'd prevail. The shambles that's just been shat out of Labour? No chance on both counts.

In the 90s when Corbyn and McDonnell went against the party whip nearly all the time, had they left (or been removed) from the Labour party and stood as independents/socialist/communist candidates, do you reckon they'd have won against a Labour candidate?

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Isn't that just personality politics?

I never mentioned personality mate, I'm talking about MPs merits and beliefs as an individual. Just having faceless clowns who hide behind party banners is why we have such shocking MP's.

People should be elected based on their own individual merits and beliefs. Not because they have a blue or red rosette.

Personality politics would mean overlooking a better candidate for a less suited candidate purely on the basis of them being less charismatic.

 

[neil999]

if this independent group do start a party are they actually as big a threat to tories as they are labour?

 

[orchard]

In the 90s when Corbyn and McDonnell went against the party whip nearly all the time, had they left (or been removed) from the Labour party and stood as independents/socialist/communist candidates, do you reckon they'd have won against a Labour candidate?

Or Blair with a new party called 'new labour' ?

 

[orchard]

if this independent group do start a party are they actually as big a threat to tories as they are labour?

Could be, it won't just be one-way traffic imo mate.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Or Blair with a new party called 'new labour' ?

Maybe, but the parallel is one of an apparent minority (of varying sizes) clearly opposing the leadership of the party. So in that context, the onus would be on Corbyn to leave, just as it was for the 7 who left this week. Yet he didn't.

 

[Black Belt Jones]

It really shouldn't be allowed that you can switch parties and then keep your seat without having to call a bi-election

The people of Stockport voted for Labour, not Ann Coffey, she should be forced face the electorate

She is time-served and popular here, Mikey - majority over 30% but has a lot of personal stock in that figure. The good folk of Stockport aren't going to accept some momentum undergraduate as labour MP, doubt she'd have any problems with a by-election. It's a fary cry from Berger's situation, say, who is deeply unpopular in her constituency and would easily be unseated by a momentum undergraduate, despite a huge majority as obv no one in Wavertree is voting Tory ever.

 

[orchard]

Maybe, but the parallel is one of an apparent minority (of varying sizes) clearly opposing the leadership of the party. So in that context, the onus would be on Corbyn to leave, just as it was for the 7 who left this week. Yet he didn't.

Maybe, but the parallel is one of an apparent minority (of varying sizes) clearly opposing the leadership of the party. So in that context, the onus would be on Corbyn to leave, just as it was for the 7 who left this week. Yet he didn't.

And if Blair didn't like the constitution of a party, why did he join and then change it rther than form a new one?