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I’ll take that as a compliment Bruce.

Of course he COULD be comparing migrants with terrorists but doesn’t it seem more likely he’s equating one group of criminals with another?

Especially as a former human rights lawyer that’s spoken repeatedly about breaking the people smuggling gangs that exploit the vulnerable & desperate.
As the former immigration head said though, most of the gangs helping to transport people here don't come anywhere near the UK, much less anywhere where might have jurisdiction to arrest them. It also does bugger all in terms of making safe routes for people to claim asylum so they don't have to put their lives in the hands of traffickers.

It's worrying that we're (I use the royal we here as it applies across the west) continuing to do such a rubbish job in terms of migration, as I can't help but feel that with the climate making a growing number of places inhospitable, the movement of people is going to get considerably more common. As a planet, we need to get better at it by a huge margin, but we seem to be doing the opposite.
 
The substance is the same: he's viewing illegal immigration into this country as terrorism...that's called dog whistle politics.

This Starmer Party are nothing like a Labour Party. Anyone arguing they are are just daft.
There’s no dog whistle there. Just you trying to weasel out of being caught in a lie by claiming a subtext that wasn’t there.

You enjoy getting slapped about on these CA threads don’t you?

Not kink shaming your masochist tendencies but I’m not going to indulge you more today.

Maybe you can shut your nuts in a kitchen drawer until someone else wants to play.
 
The actual quote because it’s always best to check when it’s Dave

“I will work with anyone serious who could offer solutions of this, anyone, because without coordinated global action, it will not go away.

And unless we bring all the powers we have to bear on this in much the same way as we do for terrorism, then we will struggle to bring these criminals to justice.

And that, in a sense, is my message here today; people smuggling should be viewed as a global security threat similar to terrorism.

We’ve got to combine resources, share intelligence and tactics and tackle the problem upstream, working together to shut down the smuggling routes. We do that with terrorism.”
Again though, it's avoiding what is a common sense argument. It wasn't law enforcement that stopped the likes of Al Capone, it was the ending of prohibition. If you make it easier for people to claim asylum without embarking on incredibly expensive and dangerous journeys, then the traffickers have no business left. They won't do that though as that would make them appear soft on people they're happy to demonise.
 
As the former immigration head said though, most of the gangs helping to transport people here don't come anywhere near the UK, much less anywhere where might have jurisdiction to arrest them. It also does bugger all in terms of making safe routes for people to claim asylum so they don't have to put their lives in the hands of traffickers.

It's worrying that we're (I use the royal we here as it applies across the west) continuing to do such a rubbish job in terms of migration, as I can't help but feel that with the climate making a growing number of places inhospitable, the movement of people is going to get considerably more common. As a planet, we need to get better at it by a huge margin, but we seem to be doing the opposite.
Isn’t that pretty much what Starmer has actually said though Bruce? It’s a complex international problem that requires international cooperation.
 
Isn’t that pretty much what Starmer has actually said though Bruce? It’s a complex international problem that requires international cooperation.
The way the BBC are reporting it is very much in the "we want to stop the gangs because that stops people coming here". It's not at all "people are fine to claim asylum here but we want them to do so in a safe way that doesn't funnel money into criminal's hands". I mean it practically borrows the Sunak mantra of stopping the boats.
 
The Tory media (& Dave) would be critical regardless you’re spot on there.

But what part of Starmer’s speech, in your view, demonises the people being trafficked rather than the gangs involved?
This is from the horse's mouth

The Prime Minister is set to announce an additional £75 million to boost border security, bringing the investment in the Border Security Command over the next two years to £150 million.

Marking the first time the INTERPOL General Assembly has been hosted in the UK in over 50 years, Keir Starmer will today (4 November) open the Assembly in Glasgow by setting out his personal mission to smash the people smuggling gangs by resetting the UK’s whole approach to this challenge and intensifying international collaboration to meet the global scale of the threat.

The General Assembly is INTERPOL’s supreme governing body and comprises senior ministerial and policing leads from the organisation’s 196 member states.

In his speech, the Prime Minister will set out his plans to draw on his experience of bringing together agencies to tackle international terrorist and drug smuggling gangs during his time as Director of Public Prosecutions to dismantle the people smuggling gangs who drive illegal migration, profit from human misery and represent a serious threat to global security.

He will also set out how the £150 million will provide additional specialist investigators and state of the art surveillance equipment to ensure those behind this criminal activity are stopped and brought to justice.

This major funding boost for the government’s new Border Security Command will initially be directed towards a range of enforcement and intelligence activity, including:

  • Investing heavily in NCA technology and capabilities, delivering advanced data exploitation and improvements to technologies to boost collaboration with European partners to investigate and break people smuggling networks.
  • 300 staff for the new Border Security Command, who will strengthen global partnerships, deliver new legislation and lead the system through investment and strategy.
  • 100 specialist investigators and intelligence officers for the NCA, dedicated to tackling criminals who facilitate people smuggling.
  • Creating a new specialist OIC Intelligence Source Unit which will cohere intelligence flows from key police forces.
  • Boosting the Crown Prosecution Service’s ability to deliver charging decisions more quickly on international organised crime cases.
The Border Security Command, led by Martin Hewitt CBE QPM, will be provided with enhanced powers – through a new Border Security, Asylum and Immigration Bill - to tackle organised immigration crime whilst providing for strong and effective border security.

New measures will make it easier to detect, disrupt and deter those seeking to engage in and benefit from organised immigration crime. The Command will also coordinate the work of intelligence agencies and law enforcement, who lead joint investigations with European counterparts to ensure we can bring those responsible to justice.

Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer is expected to say:

“The world needs to wake up to the severity of this challenge. I was elected to deliver security for the British people. And strong borders are a part of that. But security doesn’t stop at our borders.

“There’s nothing progressive about turning a blind eye as men, women and children die in the Channel.

“This is a vile trade that must be stamped out – wherever it thrives. So we’re taking our approach to counter-terrorism - which we know works, and applying it to the gangs, with our new Border Security Command.

“We’re ending the fragmentation between policing, Border Force and our intelligence agencies.”

Home Secretary Yvette Cooper said:

“Criminal smuggler gangs profit from undermining our border security and putting lives at risk and they have been getting away with it for far too long.

“Our new Border Security Command, with the investment set out today, will mean a huge step change in the way we target these criminal gangs. People smugglers and traffickers operate in networks across borders, that’s why we have launched a major boost to our cooperation with international partners including other European countries, the G7 and Europol, and why we are so pleased to be hosting the INTERPOL conference on tackling international crime in Glasgow today.”

The Prime Minister will also announce that the UK Government has increased its in-year support for INTERPOL’s global operations through a £6 million investment which harnesses the organisation’s unique capabilities to tackle serious organised crime affecting the UK.

Addressing the General Assembly, the Prime Minister will say that closer cooperation with international partners is key as he details how the gangs’ operations span from the money markets in Kabul through to the Kurdish region of Iraq and right across Europe and into the UK.

He will stress the government’s ongoing commitment to strengthening security agreements to facilitate greater sharing of intelligence and more joint operational work, in particular through Europol.

The Home Office will also invest £24m in the new financial year to tackle international serious organised crime affecting the UK including drugs and firearms, fraud, trafficking and exploitation. Funds will in part be used to bolster work done by special prosecutors and operational partners in the Western Balkans.

There were more than 5,000 drug related deaths in 2023, with most of the illegal drugs causing these coming from overseas or facilitated by transnational gangs. ISOC funding will also be used to tackle drug smuggling upstream and at the UK border, building on recent successes, such as the effective collaboration with the US and Ecuador, which has resulted in the seizure of 19 tonnes of cocaine.

National Crime Agency Director General Graeme Biggar said:

“Serious and organised crime causes more harm, to more people, more often than any other national security threat. And almost all of serious and organised crime now has an international nexus. Distance, borders and languages are meaningless to criminals. This is why collaborations with INTERPOL have never been as important as they are today.

“Tackling organised crime, and especially immigration crime, remains a top priority for the NCA. We are currently leading around 70 investigations into the gangs or individuals involved in the highest echelons of this type of criminality, and we are devoting more resources to it than ever before.

“We have built up our intelligence sharing effort with law enforcement partners across Europe and beyond, including having more NCA officers based overseas, sharing intelligence and working side by side on joint investigations. This approach is bringing operational results with arrests and prosecutions, but we are also we are seeking to disrupt the people smugglers’ business model, through targeting their social media offering, their supply routes for equipment, and their financial flows.

“We are determined to do all we can to disrupt and dismantle these networks, wherever they operate.”

The announcement comes just a month after Britain joined up to a new G7 anti migrant smuggling action plan which included pledges to bolster border security, combat transnational organised crime, and protect vulnerable individuals from exploitation by smugglers.

The plan includes new, intelligence-led joint investigative actions to target criminal smuggling routes, working with social media platforms and internet providers to remove harmful content promoting illegal migration services or advertising fake job opportunities, and strengthening capabilities to monitor and anticipate irregular migration flows at both global and regional levels.
Nowhere in there does it say anything about making it easier for people to claim asylum. Instead it goes heavy on people crossing the channel in boats being a threat to national security, with lots of new funding and initiatives to prevent that from happening. Maybe you can tell me where in the above it says anything about what happens to people who are prevented from coming here? Because it sounds very much like "who gives a [Poor language removed], as long as they're not here" to me.
 
The way the BBC are reporting it is very much in the "we want to stop the gangs because that stops people coming here". It's not at all "people are fine to claim asylum here but we want them to do so in a safe way that doesn't funnel money into criminal's hands". I mean it practically borrows the Sunak mantra of stopping the boats.
I quoted the actual words spoken not the spin. I’m also pretty sure Starmer has said pretty much precisely what you think he should have said before.

Whether we like it or not many people in Western countries are very concerned about the levels immigration. As PM Starmer has to show he is listening to those concerns. Same with Harris in the US.
 

overlooked this, how fantastic. didn't these morons (maga zombies) have farage, truss, dorries, hopkins, r brand and some more awful pieces of work turn out for em?
 
Won’t quote you again @Bruce Wayne but your criticism is not what is being done or what has been said but what hasn’t been said.

Let’s be honest. If he’d said “We’ll make it easier to claim asylum” the Mail, Farage & the Tories would have made a twisted racist version of that the headline.
Oh for sure, I know both that a lot of the country would be quite happy to see all asylum cease in the UK (and many would be quite happy to see people drown in the Channel), and that the right wing press would give him a hard time for anything that would make claiming asylum easier. There are various things that we have a pretty robust body of evidence as to the right thing to do, but the loonies on the right have long rowed against that evidence as part of their culture war nonsense. It's hard to imagine Labour ever having a better opportunity to push the country back into a more sensible, evidence-based place than with a whopping majority. We should stop cow-towing to GBNews and Farage.

Making more of things like this rather than effectively brushing it under the carpet, for instance https://www.gov.uk/government/news/skilled-refugees-contributing-1m-to-uk-economy-each-year. That would push back on the narrative that offering asylum costs the country money.
 
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