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[NilSatisOptimum]

And if you happened to sell your house, would the other houses around you not have changed to a similar degree?

Thought we talking in the context of inheritance tax, so myself and better half would be dead no need for money as its not privatised, the afterlife, well as of yet, so its free and good service I'm led to believe, so the kids still be inheriting substantial amount untaxed wealth on sale of property that's increased in value.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Brilliant.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Austerity has ended? Tell that to pensioners dragged into fuel poverty; poor working families officially in poverty when they have more than 2 kids; people getting slung off welfare payments for disability.

That budget was for corporate Britain. It's a steroid injection for the building industry in particular.

The income tax rises to employers will also hit employees. The £1 odd onto minimum wage will lead to less hours offered to work...inevitably so because this Starmer Gang handed the employers a loophole where they could do that.

Corporate Britain needed taxing a lot more and borrowing needed to be greater if austerity were truly in the sights of Starmer's lot. The truth is they bottled it and have handed down a budget that pleases no one other than the building industry.

Yes its ended. Labour Party is now for working people.

Was listening too "How to win an election" podcast and Peter Mandelson had an interesting insight as to where "Working People" came from

According to him; When Starmer took over the party he believed the party under Corbyn was too beholden to people who wrote for the Guardian/Tribune/New Statesman, those who ran non governmental organisations.

He wanted the party to work for "working people" rather than the chatterati and mass debaters.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Brilliant.

Strewth katona's had a rough few years as well!

 

[davek]

Yes its ended. Labour Party is now for working people.

Was listening too "How to win an election" podcast and Peter Mandelson had an interesting insight as to where "Working People" came from

According to him; When Starmer took over the party he believed the party under Corbyn was too beholden to people who wrote for the Guardian/Tribune/New Statesman, those who ran non governmental organisations.

He wanted the party to work for "working people" rather than the chatterati and mass debaters.

 

[Xizor]

He's like a socialist phoenix from the flames, the Left have never had it so good.

Meanwhile Telegraph Dave sides with big business and complains employers are paying too much NI for their staff. "Won't someone think of the corporations" is today's davek mantra. The utter, utter shame on you for going full Tory.

 

[JP5]

No, but just like most systems, how it works in reality is completely different to how it works in practice, the sane way communism fails in the real world but in a theoretical essay without ' real people' involved it looks a system that should create a wonderful society, look at how Marxism has fared in the real world - utter disaster.

Capitalism checks all those boxes you listed when used in the real world, it's why it all happens, if you think any political party is changing that then you're a dreamer mate.

You made a pretty big leap there. The thing missed by plenty is that there isn’t a set, absolute system that works. The only way that civilisation has evolved is through cooperation. That’s the basis on which we have progressed. Not capitalism. Not socialism. The flaw is to think there is one system better than the others. It’s cooperation. Not competition.

It just amuses me that people are capitalists until it doesn’t work for them and then they want protections.

So many of the same people moaning about the budget are the same people who wanted Brexit.

There’s no actually consistent logic to their thought processes.

And it’s because they think their system is best. And that the other systems are inferior.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

There’s no actually consistent logic to their thought processes.

I'd argue there is, it's the "I'm alright Jack" thought process. Selfishness is their individual policy.

 

[peteblue]

Cartwheels being done all over this thread, wake up guys it’s going to hit you all. Meanwhile us rich pensioners, who have been the luckiest generation ever according to some in here, can just relax in our mansions with a gin and tonic watching the gardeners look after the estate while thinking about you poor saps who have been conned by two tier Keir and Rachel Theeves….enjoy guys…..

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Cartwheels being done all over this thread, wake up guys it’s going to hit you all. Meanwhile us rich pensioners, who have been the luckiest generation ever according to some in here, can just relax in our mansions with a gin and tonic watching the gardeners look after the estate while thinking about you poor saps who have been conned by two tier Keir and Rachel Theeves….enjoy guys…..

Womp womp.

Did you chuckle with your 3 customers at the pub tonight telling them you were gonna try and wind up some people on an internet forum when you stumbled in? What a life!

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

He's like a socialist phoenix from the flames, the Left have never had it so good.

Meanwhile Telegraph Dave sides with big business and complains employers are paying too much NI for their staff. "Won't someone think of the corporations" is today's davek mantra. The utter, utter shame on you for going full Tory.

Talking of Telegraph. @peteblue @davek The article about the pensioner couple who had to sell their boat because of the Reeves budget, because the rent on their 60 properties around Colchester wasn't enough to live on. 'In their own words, they feel their generation has been "hung out to dry" by Labour.'

This Telegraph couple complaining they’d been ‘hung out to dry’ by Rachel Reeves’ budget had people hollering into next week

We begin with an apology, after suggesting that this mum of two worried about Rachel Reeves’ budget was the least relatable thing you’ll read this week. Oh [Poor language removed] off, Yasmin. pic.twitter.com/yj0RLLM0QK — Natasha Crow (@Socialist_Crow) October 29, 2024 Because it turns out we’ve found something...

www.thepoke.com

 

[ArtetaMoney]

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Talking of Telegraph. @peteblue @davek The article about the pensioner couple who had to sell their boat because of the Reeves budget, because the rent on their 60 properties around Colchester wasn't enough to live on. 'In their own words, they feel their generation has been "hung out to dry" by Labour.'

This Telegraph couple complaining they’d been ‘hung out to dry’ by Rachel Reeves’ budget had people hollering into next week

We begin with an apology, after suggesting that this mum of two worried about Rachel Reeves’ budget was the least relatable thing you’ll read this week. Oh [Poor language removed] off, Yasmin. pic.twitter.com/yj0RLLM0QK — Natasha Crow (@Socialist_Crow) October 29, 2024 Because it turns out we’ve found something...

www.thepoke.com

At this point I'm sure some of these people in the stories are not real and the Telegraph hacks just add in some wild stuff to amuse themselves.

The aim is to upset/play to the prejudices of a) pensioners and b) buy to let landlords.

They'll be shaking fists angrily, alright!

 

[davek]

Talking of Telegraph. @peteblue @davek The article about the pensioner couple who had to sell their boat because of the Reeves budget, because the rent on their 60 properties around Colchester wasn't enough to live on. 'In their own words, they feel their generation has been "hung out to dry" by Labour.'

This Telegraph couple complaining they’d been ‘hung out to dry’ by Rachel Reeves’ budget had people hollering into next week

We begin with an apology, after suggesting that this mum of two worried about Rachel Reeves’ budget was the least relatable thing you’ll read this week. Oh [Poor language removed] off, Yasmin. pic.twitter.com/yj0RLLM0QK — Natasha Crow (@Socialist_Crow) October 29, 2024 Because it turns out we’ve found something...

www.thepoke.com

Yes, because that would be typical of every pensioner who've just been made fuel poor.

Keep them coming.

 

[Xizor]

At this point I'm sure some of these people in the stories are not real and the Telegraph hacks just add in some wild stuff to amuse themselves.

The aim is to upset/play to the prejudices of a) pensioners and b) buy to let landlords.

They'll be shaking fists angrily, alright!

Was it the Telegraph that published that hilarious article by that anonymous teenage Tarquin complaining about not being able to go to private school anymore? Whinging that his future classmates were undoubtedly a bunch of rioting oiks who wouldn't want to study as hard as them?