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[Rita_Poon]

That feels like Brexit in a nutshell.

In this case, the one area of success that Johnson has, is that despite his obvious failings to most of those who have to endure him, he's convinced a small but dedicated group of gullible people into thinking he's a statesman of grandeur and a master strategist.

so did some schlong head named adolf...

 

[peteblue]

This man had a majority of 80. What was stopping him?

Again, do you not remember Covid, nor Russia invading Ukraine and an energy crisis. CPTPP has been delivered, agreements with many USA states have been concluded. The EU by comparison is going backwards, look at Germany, France and Italy and Boris was stabbed in the back barely just over two years into his premiership…but let’s ignore all of that…..

 

[Rita_Poon]

Hasn't someone around here championed uk growth vs certain european states as proof of tory capability?

Now that comparison is forgotten and they're (Europe) going backwards apparently.

Fancy

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[Jebus_lives]

Again, do you not remember Covid, nor Russia invading Ukraine and an energy crisis. CPTPP has been delivered, agreements with many USA states have been concluded. The EU by comparison is going backwards, look at Germany, France and Italy and Boris was stabbed in the back barely just over two years into his premiership…but let’s ignore all of that…..

You find in life, people who are unsuccessful always find an excuse as to why it's never their fault.

That feels like Brexit in a nutshell.

In this case, the one area of success that Johnson has, is that despite his obvious failings to most of those who have to endure him, he's convinced a small but dedicated group of gullible people into thinking he's a statesman of grandeur and a master strategist.

 

[Rita_Poon]

We are outperforming many countries in the EU including Germany and Italy, or did they not recover because of Brexit……

See.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Again, do you not remember Covid, nor Russia invading Ukraine and an energy crisis. CPTPP has been delivered, agreements with many USA states have been concluded. The EU by comparison is going backwards, look at Germany, France and Italy and Boris was stabbed in the back barely just over two years into his premiership…but let’s ignore all of that…..

still crying over backstab gate.

 

[Jebus_lives]

still crying over backstab gate.

Sneks everywhere

 

[Rita_Poon]

Sneks everywhere

It's took me a bit but now I see.

When he erm, 'cottons on', he's gonna hit the roof.

 

[Jebus_lives]

It's took me a bit but now I see.

When he erm, 'cottons on', he's gonna hit the roof.

A hissssy fit.

 

[Rita_Poon]

A hissssy fit.

two for two.

 

[Jebus_lives]

two for two.

Should've gone to more cobra meetings

 

[peteblue]

See.

See what…any chance of an answer to whether or not you agree with Reeves over WFA……

 

[Rita_Poon]

Pipe down you moaning old douche!

Ask for answers when you're prepared to give em. Until then, do one!

 

[peteblue]

Pipe down you moaning old douche!

Ask for answers when you're prepared to give em. Until then, do one!

Should I take that as a No…we can all see your fence sitting you know……

 

[catcherintherye]

Where you draw the line is the issue. Wealthy pensioners do not need it, but the way they have drawn the line is both stupid and is about to cost more than they wanted to save. An unintended consequence is that many pensioners may now be better off, which is excellent imo, but NOT what Reeves and Starmer expected or set out to do. As I say, they have gained nothing, upset tens of millions of voters and shown themselves up as being politically naive……

I broadly agree, it's where you draw the line.

However, there is another way to view it. The reality is, older voters don't vote for them, Labour wins votes on the under 65s. They are essentially asking voters who don't vote for them angry.

At a more complex level, there was some research that showed when Labour was tough on Refugees under Blair, the public liked it, because it kind of countered the perception. It was a nice synthesis. I wonder if this is how this played out.

Nobody views Labour as heartless, people think they aren't prepared to be tough/ruthless. Like they're not nice things, but they're not awful things for Labour.

I'm a sceptic, but just being nice isn't how you win elections. The Tories would never win, Blair would never have won etc if it's a competition of how you are nice.

I'm sure that would be thinking. Or maybe Reeves is just unimaginative.