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[Daveysgingerlovechild]

FFS, I thought we were tight?

Sorry man, that's just one I couldn't resist.

Sorry everyone. I've possibly set him off.

 

[peteblue]

It's interesting that for other groups you advise seeking out other forms of assistance via banks/loans, family, tightening belts and sacrifice. Why would you not advocate those in this instance?

The elderly are capable of helping themselves, you have have routinely lauded the resilience/common sense of the elderly over the modern generation. Now you're painting this group as lacking any agency or capability.

Likewise for those who have suggested struggle in the past you have implied that they may be seeing the consequences of their poor decisions - are the elderly exempt from that purely because they are the group you identify with?

Nicely twisted, and I don’t think you understood my reply or didn’t want to, but no. Many elderly are more than capable of looking after themselves, but they get older, they get lots of medical issues and they may not have any support at all, but still have their pride, but you’ll find out one day, there’s no escaping it……

 

[peteblue]

I am honestly surprised that most are giving Labour such an easy ride just because they're not the Tories. 14 years of complete ballsing it up ain't going to be reversed by blind support.

Having said that, they sure got left carrying the can. If they get us back to square one of 14 years ago after one term in office then they will have exceded my expectations.

Please do not take us back 14 years the absolute crap the country was in then……

 

[davek]

@davek. Is this true????

Only in Birkenhead.

 

[Joey66]

Joey mate, I don't think we've had a truly socialist Labour party for many a year. Not in power, that's for sure. Corbyn's era was the closest, but lots of their policies wouldn't really be considered too far removed from soft social democratic parties in Europe.

The Starmer-Llamas are, as I've said before in here, very weak Social-Democrats, of the Blairite tradition.

Apart from Boris being a stupid liar then Starmer imo opinion is a devious liar - @davek was spot on about him from day one - a good post by you though he can't be worse than the Tories can he???
Not a great start - look I am ok I will not miss £300 - but I do care about the Oaps just above the pension credit breadline

 

[peteblue]

Apart from Boris being a stupid liar then Starmer imo opinion is a devious liar - @davek was spot on about him from day one - a good post by you though he can't be worse than the Tories can he???
Not a great start - look I am ok I will not miss £300 - but I do care about the Oaps just above the pension credit breadline

“Not a great start - look I am ok I will not miss £300 - but I do care about the Oaps just above the pension credit breadline”

And that’s the point Joey that many on here are ignoring just for the sake of supporting Starmer…..

 

[Jebus_lives]

Nicely twisted, and I don’t think you understood my reply or didn’t want to, but no. Many elderly are more than capable of looking after themselves, but they get older, they get lots of medical issues and they may not have any support at all, but still have their pride, but you’ll find out one day, there’s no escaping it……

I wasn't twisting anything. I was simply asking why you are comfortable/advocate for austerity to be applied to one part of society which is vulnerable but not another.

That may be uncomfortable for you, but it's the stance you have chosen.

Give the economic imperative, cuts will need to be made, and they will be targetted with some gaining and some losing (pensioners v benefits), but the country was spending more than it was earning and indeed continues to do so at an even greater rate. We can't just bury our collective heads in the sand and I'm not really interested in the party politics of this. Like it or not this government faces the issues which will either be tackled, kicked down the lane or worsened.

 

[peteblue]

I wasn't twisting anything. I was simply asking why you are comfortable/advocate for austerity to be applied to one part of society which is vulnerable but not another.

That may be uncomfortable for you, but it's the stance you have chosen.

Give the economic imperative, cuts will need to be made, and they will be targetted with some gaining and some losing (pensioners v benefits), but the country was spending more than it was earning and indeed continues to do so at an even greater rate. We can't just bury our collective heads in the sand and I'm not really interested in the party politics of this. Like it or not this government faces the issues which will either be tackled, kicked down the lane or worsened.

Then why give inflation busting pay rises to certain public sector personnel…

 

[Jebus_lives]

Then why give inflation busting pay rises to certain public sector personnel…

"the issues which will either be tackled, kicked down the lane or worsened."

It was unsustainable to continue to kick that can down the road and repeated strikes were costing the country dearly all the while those sectors were losing well qualified staff to other more attractive overseas jobs.

And, the argument will be that they are being made competitive after years of salary stagnation.

Tough choices being made... Again, I would have thought you would've applauded that style of decision making.

 

[peteblue]

"the issues which will either be tackled, kicked down the lane or worsened."

It was unsustainable to continue to kick that can down the road and repeated strikes were costing the country dearly all the while those sectors were losing well qualified staff to other more attractive overseas jobs.

And, the argument will be that they are being made competitive after years of salary stagnation.

Tough choices being made... Again, I would have thought you would've applauded that style of decision making.

How many train drivers or teachers moved overseas……

 

[Jebus_lives]

How many train drivers or teachers moved overseas……

Around 40000 teachers leave each year and recruitment rates for teachers are the lowest they've ever been. It's been widely reported.

Maybe some of the recently retired could be persuaded to rejoin and dole out some common sense and traditional values. It could be a way to reduce their home heating bills this winter.

 

[Number_25]

Around 40000 teachers leave each year and recruitment rates for teachers are the lowest they've ever been. It's been widely reported.

Maybe some of the recently retired could be persuaded to rejoin and dole out some common sense and traditional values. It could be a way to reduce their home heating bills this winter.

I did my PGCE during my PhD and it was enough of an 'experience' to put me off teaching forever. Not enough pay. Horrible conditions. Frustrating limitations as to what you can and cannot do with the syllabus, micromanagement, and having to deal with student's parents. Anyone who sticks with that profession is akin to a saint to me.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I did my PGCE during my PhD and it was enough of an 'experience' to put me off teaching forever. Not enough pay. Horrible conditions. Frustrating limitations as to what you can and cannot do with the syllabus, micromanagement, and having to deal with student's parents. Anyone who sticks with that profession is akin to a saint to me.

@peteblue

 

[peteblue]

Around 40000 teachers leave each year and recruitment rates for teachers are the lowest they've ever been. It's been widely reported.

Maybe some of the recently retired could be persuaded to rejoin and dole out some common sense and traditional values. It could be a way to reduce their home heating bills this winter.

So none moved overseas, they retired……

 

[Jebus_lives]

So none moved overseas, they retired……

Retired, quit, moved to other professions, moved overseas, died, moved into the arms trade, bought pubs, became YouTube influencers...

The point is they aren't staying in teaching and they aren't being attracted to the profession.

Should we give pensioners that teacher money and neglect our younger generation?