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[Yarrgh]

All had the whip suspended, pathetic.

Spare the whip, spoil the child with food and warmth and a safe home.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Footy joke, (Norwich and Ipswich). The Jo Cox bit was important btw.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Signs off with a remark about the gigantic loss the tory's suffered and suggested some reflection.

 

[Yarrgh]

They might have a 180 odd majority, but they got in on 33% of the vote after just 9 million people voted for them.

They'll collapse in 2028 when they've pissed off everyone and the opposition are united against them next time around.

One term government written all over it.

I actually agree on this point. Unless there is improvement globally that drags the UK upwards, I can't see Labour vastly improving our lot. I will caveat that with the last mob having been such a wrecking ball to the country, it will be a feat to just get us back to square one.

Also surely the Conservative party will improve if it culls the tainted cohort from before this government and has a serious re-set.

 

[davek]

I actually agree on this point. Unless there is improvement globally that drags the UK upwards, I can't see Labour vastly improving our lot. I will caveat that with the last mob having been such a wrecking ball to the country, it will be a feat to just get us back to square one.

Also surely the Conservative party will improve if it culls the tainted cohort from before this government and has a serious re-set.

For them to win the next election that growth they talk up has to happen. There'll be no growth to the point they believe - capital is petrified to invest, they're just looking for enormous state handouts to 'help' them invest - and they'll end up raising taxes.

They're toast. It's baked into their own agenda.

But then again, this has not been about getting a two term social democratic government into office to reform our economic and social lives, it's been about Starmer ticking his next career leap box and handing the Tories a spell out for 5 years so they can tell the country they've reformed and regenerated.

That's traditionally been Labour's role...but even more so with this charlatan Starmer.

That's why only 9.7 million people were mugged off.

 

[davek]

Just listened to him on LBC - his pathway getting back to work was easy for him .....

One absolute nit.

Would it be okay if we had one week without hearing from the helium voiced horror?

Ended up with his kecks pulled over his head for being a spineless rat.

It's laughable seeing this little 'kin weasel setting himself up as 'hammer of the left'.

If there's a poster boy for Red Toryism its that feller.

An utter arsewipe of a man.

 

[davek]

Well you've now got an independent Corbyn with a newly minted rump of 7 other ex-Labour Merry Men who can be the nucleus of that new true socialist party of the Left you're after. Instantly bigger than Reform in the Commons as well, which is nice.

That party is in motion already.

Dont you believe there'll be no party of the left challenging the Red Tories by the end of this parliament.

 

[coollino]

That party is in motion already.

Dont you believe there'll be no party of the left challenging the Red Tories by the end of this parliament.

Not a party for grown-ups or adults though, apparently

 

[jackyboy]

Good lord

 

[Xizor]

That party is in motion already.

Dont you believe there'll be no party of the left challenging the Red Tories by the end of this parliament.

I don't have a belief on that one way or the other. I just find it an interesting situation that there's now a totemic former Labour leader in the Commons with up to 7 currently-Independent fellow travellers, and if they organise more formally it might help to hold Labour to account on the Left. Sure, it detonates their "six month" suspension, but maybe it would be better for all concerned.

This I believe would be more effective than any new random group of socialists that exist entirely outside of parliament, given that there's a ton of those already that make zero dents in the polling across the country, and adding in one more won't actually challenge Labour, they'll just dilute the shallow pool even further.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

For them to win the next election that growth they talk up has to happen. There'll be no growth to the point they believe - capital is petrified to invest, they're just looking for enormous state handouts to 'help' them invest - and they'll end up raising taxes.

They're toast. It's baked into their own agenda.

But then again, this has not been about getting a two term social democratic government into office to reform our economic and social lives, it's been about Starmer ticking his next career leap box and handing the Tories a spell out for 5 years so they can tell the country they've reformed and regenerated.

That's traditionally been Labour's role...but even more so with this charlatan Starmer.

That's why only 9.7 million people were mugged off.

It's moving already at a quicker pace than America, Japan, France, and Germany. Obviously that's not down to Starmer and/or Labour, but still, you would appear to be wrong.

Is Britain’s economy finally moving?

Sticky inflation and a weakening job market could still spoil the mood

www.economist.com

 

[davek]

Not a party for grown-ups or adults though, apparently

No. It's good the grown ups are back in the room to prevent the kids being fed.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

It's moving already at a quicker pace than America, Japan, France, and Germany. Obviously that's not down to Starmer and/or Labour, but still, you would appear to be wrong.

Is Britain’s economy finally moving?

Sticky inflation and a weakening job market could still spoil the mood

www.economist.com

When Sunak said our economy was growing faster than the above - he failed to mention it had been destroyed by the tories and is mainly playing catch-up. The growth rate may seem higher but it is a very low bar to measure by .

 

[Bruce Wayne]

When Sunak said our economy was growing faster than the above - he failed to mention it had been destroyed by the tories and is mainly playing catch-up. The growth rate may seem higher but it is a very low bar to measure by .

Of course, I wouldn't say it's in a healthy state, merely that it is growing, which is a start. Dave was arguing that growth as a concept would be impossible, which is clearly nonsense.

 

[davek]

I don't have a belief on that one way or the other. I just find it an interesting situation that there's now a totemic former Labour leader in the Commons with up to 7 currently-Independent fellow travellers, and if they organise more formally it might help to hold Labour to account on the Left. Sure, it detonates their "six month" suspension, but maybe it would be better for all concerned.

This I believe would be more effective than any new random group of socialists that exist entirely outside of parliament, given that there's a ton of those already that make zero dents in the polling across the country, and adding in one more won't actually challenge Labour, they'll just dilute the shallow pool even further.

Yes, they could well provide an arrow head for an alternative party outside parliament. A bridgehead.

Change UK and Transform are two umbrella groups mopping up a lot of the hundreds of thousands of ex-Labour membership who've left in disgust.