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Five years in of starmer being leader of the party. He’s made it clear what type of Labour Party it will be.

They deserve praise for doing good things, and criticism for doing bad things.

Not committing to scrapping the benefit cap in their manifesto, then pressuring MPs to vote against the amendment today was a let down for me.

In the grand scheme, it costs very little and makes a massive difference to families. This is something I believe any Labour government should be scrapping. The money is there to be found.

I understand the argument of the difficulties the last 14 years had thrust upon them, but they can’t use that for absolutely everything.
So give em chance to find it?
 
3 weeks, having found funding for the teachers and others already. Hmm.

You do realise the opposition get to work way before they reach power and realise the financial situation they’re going in to?

They could have committed to scrapping the cap in their manifesto and scrapped it as soon as they came into power.

They chose not to. If you agree with that it’s fine. I personally don’t and think this was such an easy win they let slip by.

This isn’t a necessity, it’s a choice.
 
You do realise the opposition get to work way before they reach power and realise the financial situation they’re going in to?

They could have committed to scrapping the cap in their manifesto and scrapped it as soon as they came into power.

They chose not to. If you agree with that it’s fine. I personally don’t and think this was such an easy win they let slip by.

This isn’t a necessity, it’s a choice.
Fine. So they prolong some of the tory suffering that bit longer, I agree it's a scummy thing to do, but where were the swinging from the roof tops and burning down the country before today? They'll bin it with a fanfare at an opportune moment, it's dirty filthy politics. It'll be done when they need a big win. It'll be a budget aspect, and it'll be Reeves that announces it. And check the odds quick, she plays her cards right she could be what follows Starmer.

It's the long game, I'd have liked them to bin the cap and guarantee social care reform and altered the rules around student loans. But then I remembered, it took 14 years to get us here, if the harm was so meaningless it could be turned around in just three weeks then maybe I was catastrophising the first time round.
 
You do realise the opposition get to work way before they reach power and realise the financial situation they’re going in to?

They could have committed to scrapping the cap in their manifesto and scrapped it as soon as they came into power.

They chose not to. If you agree with that it’s fine. I personally don’t and think this was such an easy win they let slip by.

This isn’t a necessity, it’s a choice.
Think suspending the MPs was heavy handed and was done all too willingly given who voted against.
That’s my main gripe. Most people knew what this Labour Party were going to be about before voting for them.
 
Fine. So they prolong some of the tory suffering that bit longer, I agree it's a scummy thing to do, but where were the swinging from the roof tops and burning down the country before today? They'll bin it with a fanfare at an opportune moment, it's dirty filthy politics. It'll be done when they need a big win. It'll be a budget aspect, and it'll be Reeves that announces it. And check the odds quick, she plays her cards right she could be what follows Starmer.

It's the long game, I'd have liked them to bin the cap and guarantee social care reform and altered the rules around student loans. But then I remembered, it took 14 years to get us here, if the harm was so meaningless it could be turned around in just three weeks then maybe I was catastrophising the first time round.

Yeah, I don’t care for this type of stuff.

You and others have more an acceptance of the system which is fine.

I don’t, hence why I’m so critical of everything Labour do to play along with the game.

I hate it and want it all to change because it’s not benefitting the people of the country and hasn’t for a long time.

But I voted for them yet again so who am I to complain.
 
Yeah, I don’t care for this type of stuff.

You and others have more an acceptance of the system which is fine.

I don’t, hence why I’m so critical of everything Labour do to play along with the game.

I hate it and want it all to change because it’s not benefitting the people of the country and hasn’t for a long time.

But I voted for them yet again so who am I to complain.
No one is saying you can't complain.
If the cap aint gone in 18 months I'm going to be very displeased.
The Rwanda saving should cover it, but we can't spend what we haven't yet saved.
I dislike the system and do not accept great swathes of it (I've been a little vocal over Andrew Malkinson for instance)
Patience, I know it's easy to be patient when it isn't you directly suffering, but tough decisions have to be faced. The 5.5% increase agreed this last week will kick in with some improved tax takes. It might even tempt a few people back into a higher position in the work place by making work pay. These chickens aren't home to roost yet.
 
Yeah, I don’t care for this type of stuff.

You and others have more an acceptance of the system which is fine.

I don’t, hence why I’m so critical of everything Labour do to play along with the game.

I hate it and want it all to change because it’s not benefitting the people of the country and hasn’t for a long time.

But I voted for them yet again so who am I to complain.
You have ever right to complain.
Think we would all mostly like things to go quickly.
After the last decade or so it's only natural.
Unfortunately the state of the country means the government will have to go slowly, it will be frustrating, but hopefully it gets better in the long run.
Honestly I think it will take more than one term to undo the mess they have been left with,
Might come across that that's i am giving the government a walk over , but it's early days we have to give them time in my opinion.
 
Keir Starmer's Labour Party: kid starving capitalists at home, genocide apologists abroad. I said to my mates before the election, you go ahead and vote for Murdoch's candidate, go and vote for a man that supports Israel and blames trans people and Bangladeshis for society's problems. Once again a reminder - it wasn't Hamas beheading children as the Israeli press lined up to condemn them for on October 7th, it was the IDF and Zionist terrorists during their continuing ethnic cleansing.

Starmer's hollowed out Labour, expelled Socialists and Communists who had a rightful place in the party ever since 1900 and has made it into a toothless, neutered force for anything good, and turned Labour into an enthusiastic cheer leader for the worst of humanity.
I never understand why folk virtue signal, the guy has held office not even a month. The parties manifesto and his views won him a massive majority.

You actually think Starmer supports child poverty and genocide? We live in a world where regardless of policies chosen or leaders in charge these things will happen to some extent. Name a period in time it hasn't?

Unless we start clamouring for the rich to share it's wealth and stop people following their religious beliefs, oh wait communism has caused some of the worst famines and genocides in human history.

And the fact we live in a country envious to most others (even though the Tories ran us poorly). Where many come from afar to share it's wealth, culture, freedoms and opportunities suggest you are barking up the wrong tree with this post.
 
I never understand why folk virtue signal, the guy has held office not even a month. The parties manifesto and his views won him a massive majority.

You actually think Starmer supports child poverty and genocide? We live in a world where regardless of policies chosen or leaders in charge these things will happen to some extent. Name a period in time it hasn't?

Unless we start clamouring for the rich to share it's wealth and stop people following their religious beliefs, oh wait communism has caused some of the worst famines and genocides in human history.

And the fact we live in a country envious to most others (even though the Tories ran us poorly). Where many come from afar to share it's wealth, culture, freedoms and opportunities suggest you are barking up the wrong tree with this post.
Sorry to burst your bubble but I'm not virtue signalling and never would. I put in the yards for Labour when it was the right thing to do. Labour voter and Party member for years, was once a Youth Officer and later Vice Chair of my ward Labour branch. Everybody who knows me knows my views and that I have subscribed to Communist and Marxist newspapers. I'm not armchair theorising and I don't expect to make friends because of my views.

Poverty happens because of capitalism and greed. The top 1% in this country has as much wealth as the bottom 70%. It's a rigged economy and it's rigged in favour of those with influence so they can preserve their influence.

Yes I do think Starmer supports genocide. The uncomfortable truth for him is he said Israel has the right to cut water off, and the ICJ has now found Israel's imposed starvation and famine on Palestinians to be in violation of international law.

Are we ignoring the crimes committed in the name of capitalism? The horrors of Neoliberalism in Chile, the murder of Socialists and Communists across South America, the insidious influence of the USA in conflicts around the world. East Timor, Dominican Republic, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea. You might hate communism but align yourself with anti-communists and you'll find yourself defending crimes similar to those Israel is committing now. Just remember, the first people in the concentration camps were the Trade Unionists and Socialists.
 
I actually agree with Rita on this one. Everyone agrees the cap should be scrapped, it wasn't in their manifesto so it isn't going to be acted on in the first month of government.

They have made good decisions on the whole. This is the first negative, but understandable given the politics involved.

You have ever right to complain.
Think we would all mostly like things to go quickly.
After the last decade or so it's only natural.
Unfortunately the state of the country means the government will have to go slowly, it will be frustrating, but hopefully it gets better in the long run.
Honestly I think it will take more than one term to undo the mess they have been left with,
Might come across that that's i am giving the government a walk over , but it's early days we have to give them time in my opinion.

It was always going to be this red line or that red line. The conclusion was already made, it's only a matter of picking the argument to make one seem as morally highbound as possible, so as to make everyone else seem morally repugnant. Because that's how the privileged left operates.

They've never had to make umpteen compromises in order to try and get that little bit of help that those of us in the underclass have to live with.

Starmer has been clear it's a budgetary issue not one of conscience.

Labour in government for 18 days into their term days after King speech which outlines reducing child poverty allows privileged left to claim later on that they're holding the moral high ground.

18 days...
 
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