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[mightymoyes]

No, it's not a bye ball, I'm revolted the same as I was, but they've stuck to their word - as awful as this turns out to be, because the country is in the gutter. Implement this with money from social care? nhs? it's all in the pockets of mone and gove and their closest gangster pals. It's in the IOU's the BoE had to step in and sign because of the truss disaster budget. I despise the harm done and being prolonged. To the most vulnerable in society. 6th wealthiest economy in the world apparently. I reckon when they've had chance to alter a few things and find a few quid from down the back of the sofa they'll face this as soon as they can.

Three weeks in. 5.5% agreed already for a deal to fix strikes this past week. Junior doctors on the cards next. 14 years of harm and theft. It was impossible to address and fix this quickly. Patience was asked for, it fell on deaf ears.

Put the tories back in, let's really get some harm done. Another 14 years should see britain consigned to the history books. Hooray.

If the will was there the money would there too, it always is

 

[Rita_Poon]

Forgive me I don't mean to nitpick.
blair has been involved with some pretty unsavoury property deals (Panama papers) and the Dr David Kelly thing and the 'sexing up of document' isn't going away. There's a few more minor things on his slate that need addressing, not least the PIF deals or similar in name where hospitals have now been paid for outright three times over for instance. (close to).
Although I wasn't a massive fan of Brown at the time, and I acknowledge his errors, I believe he tried to act as virtuously as he could for the benefit of the nation, the american lead financial crash was no easy crisis to handle for a first in the job, I'm aware of the gold issue, I believe he doesn't collect his prime ministers paycheck yearly, seeing it as a service and an honour, not a means to an easy life (truss), think he got the rough end on the back of some bad moves by blair, and hasn't been sleazed anything like since. Also...

Fuel poverty is creating a left-out generation that will never recover from the scars | Gordon Brown

Only an emergency budget can prevent millions more families from falling into destitution that will mark their children for decades

www.theguardian.com

I'd appreciate the thoughts of a few elder statespersons regards the direction and antipathy of current climes that are detrimental to the overall suffering of the many over the few...

 

[davek]

Another great moment for Starmer on Newsnight there. Some poor woman by the false name 'Alison' being interviewed because she's testifying on the spy cops scandal relating how she was used and abused for 5 years by an undercover cop. Starmer's role in it was to set up a whitewash report to conceal the extent of the abusive relationships coppers had with activists they spied on and to restrict the inquiry.

What a man.

 

[Xizor]

Let's just be clear here over what's happened today in terms of procedure - this wasn't a whipped vote on a bill specifically about the cap, this was an opposition amendment made during the debate on the King's Speech. Such a debate is always considered a Vote of No Confidence and if it fails immediately triggers a new election.

Yes, this doesn't mean that if the SNP amendment had passed and become part of the speech the Government would have been brought down. Even if enough Labour rebels had broken ranks to pass the amendment, they'd have then voted the speech through along with the rest of the party, and Starmer would have carried on, forced to change spending plans. But honestly, voting against the Government on amendments to such an important vote in the Commons? It really does put the leadership in an invidious position regarding the Rebels. Let them off looks bad for the discipline of the new Government and undermines the authority of the whips moving forward, punish them and they look deaf to the very real concerns of countless thousands or more. Glad it's not me making the calls.

 

[edge]

Said they were not going to scrap it didn't so that's the uproar about?
Seven mps, mostly ex Corbyn's supporters get suspended .
There's a shock.
There isn't a magic ️
Wand to unravel years of mess .
There is a whole list of things to unravel .
Social care, housing health service,ect
it will take time and money
Like it or not it isn't going to happen overnight.
Glad he has show a bit of authority.

 

[Xizor]

What a man.

 

[Xizor]

There is a whole list of things to unravel .

Whichever way Labour don't move, whatever things they don't do, there will be plenty of legitimate criticisms from concerned & affected people.

There are also partisan groups who don't care what they do, they'll just complain the opposite wasn't done. Sometimes it'll be opposing parties for political gain, sometimes it will be hostile media, so on.

Welcome to Government. No use crying about it.

 

[Charro]

I just don’t have faith in this Labour government that when the economic situation improves they will make the changes people think they will.

Listen to reeves and Streeting, I think they’re making it clear what this Labour government is all about.

Their approach may work over time in relaying on the private sector instead of upping public spending, but I don’t ever see them making the required investments in our public services.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Three
Weeks
In
.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Labour never promised to undo the tory cap of two children allowed child support benefit.
Now they're being held to account for it.
I'm asking where the previous noise was regards this issue, because it looks a bit like convenient timing to me.

Don’t really agree with a lot of the hyperbolic language around it but believe that it should be scrapped. Whether or not Labour promised this is not so much the issue as they now have the power to do so, without it being particularly contentious and have chosen not to.
Don’t particularly agree with the fiscally responsible argument as plenty studies show benefits are picked up elsewhere but there we go.
Not sure what people expected though tbh. There are quite a lot of other things I think Labour have done well. This seems to undo a lot of that.

 

[Goat]

Don’t really agree with a lot of the hyperbolic language around it but believe that it should be scrapped. Whether or not Labour promised this is not so much the issue as they now have the power to do so, without it being particularly contentious and have chosen not to.
Don’t particularly agree with the fiscally responsible argument as plenty studies show benefits are picked up elsewhere but there we go.
Not sure what people expected though tbh. There are quite a lot of other things I think Labour have done well. This seems to undo a lot of that.

Yeah, it seems like a really easy win.

Baffling decision.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Three
Weeks
In
.

Again.

 

[edge]

Three
Weeks
In
.

Two seconds in , some were waiting for the chance to get the knives out.

 

[Charro]

Three
Weeks
In
.

No.

Five years in of starmer being leader of the party. He’s made it clear what type of Labour Party it will be.

They deserve praise for doing good things, and criticism for doing bad things.

Not committing to scrapping the benefit cap in their manifesto, then pressuring MPs to vote against the amendment today was a let down for me.

In the grand scheme, it costs very little and makes a massive difference to families. This is something I believe any Labour government should be scrapping. The money is there to be found.

I understand the argument of the difficulties the last 14 years had thrust upon them, but they can’t use that for absolutely everything.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Two seconds in , some were waiting for the chance to get the knives out.

Yes, I alluded to such. Then went looking for the evidence. Been no come-backs there. That's me shocked.
The moment Labour can reasonably push this awful cut out of the way they will, it'll be wrapped up with "our policies are working, change is in place, and we can alleviate a lot of child poverty one step at a time, because of our improving the economy and tax take - here it is".

Patience was asked for, that plea fell on deaf ears.