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[Rita_Poon]

I've not seen any labour people out and about, or at my door. It seems mad to me. I like to think I've just been unlucky and missed them, yet I've seen the Tory people out a fair bit

My gf saw some of the labour people out and their message was just 'dont vote tory'. She is currently voting Green but said she'd poss vote Labour if someone spoke to her well enough but they just haven't at all

Was she walking your pet tiger?

 

[davek]

Strange the way Israel's atrocities are not an election issue when they were a clear issue for the Starmer Gang to address prior to the election.

It's almost like the media have willingly shelved a genoicide that human rights lawyer Starmer has supported for the past 9 months.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Strange the way Israel's atrocities are not an election issue when they were a clear issue for the Starmer Gang to address prior to the election.

It's almost like the media have willingly shelved a genoicide that human rights lawyer Starmer has supported for the past 9 months.

As uncomfortable as it is, for good majority of voting public its not a big issue. If it were media would be hounding Starmer and team every day. Much of media want people to purchase their scribblings so will pursue what sells.

 

[davek]

As uncomfortable as it is, for good majority of voting public its not a big issue. If it were media would be hounding Starmer and team every day. Much of media want people to purchase their scribblings so will pursue what sells.

The media make the issues. The media are pushing for a Red Tory victory.

It's as simple as that.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

The media make the issues. The media are pushing for a Red Tory victory.

It's as simple as that.

Not sure on that. More like they are giving up... On one hand its Red Tory Victory, yet much of media that support actually Tories are claiming Starmer will turn UK into Socialist Utopia with super majority... Its nuanced world alright.

 

[davek]

Not sure on that. More like they are giving up... On one hand its Red Tory Victory, yet much of media that support actually Tories are claiming Starmer will turn UK into Socialist Utopia with super majority... Its nuanced world alright.

The Express, Mail, Telegraph and GB News maybe.

The vast majority of the media though are satisfied with the Tory second XI taking control again with neocon Starmer in charge.

 

[mahermi1]

The media make the issues. The media are pushing for a Red Tory victory.

It's as simple as that.

Absolute rubbish had a look at the Tory press lately Dave. You're posts are all the same, just don't vote Labour, vote anyone else, tiresome.

 

[davek]

Absolute rubbish had a look at the Tory press lately Dave. You're posts are all the same, just don't vote Labour, vote anyone else, tiresome.

There is no 'Labour' anymore. That's the point.

 

[davek]

I just looked into this as it sounded a bit mad. He wasn't a teenager, he was in his mid-30's and did a bit more than looking for UFO stuff. His extradition case took 10 years to be decided, eventually being blocked due to him having Asperger's and being a suicide risk. Alan Johnson was Home Secretary for part of this time and he said he should have been extradited and criticised May. When May finally blocked it Keir Starmer had to decide whether to prosecute in the UK and decided not to.

So a bit more complicated than "May saving the young teen from Starmer".

Gary McKinnon - Wikipedia

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Regarding this McKinnon story again. You might care to read this...

@orchard

 

[Wizard]

Regarding this McKinnon story again. You might care to read this...

@orchard

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Disregarding what we've already since found out about McKinnon here, I did just pop on that relevant section of the video to see what the fuss was about. Like many of theses 'deep dive' videos about a subject it's just one guy with an enthusiastically-held opinion he's happy to share without any supporting data, just what he's read and decided to pass on. There's lots of negative characterisations about how things happened, but he gives no indication how he knows any of it, beyond I assume having read the Eagleton book where all this stuff originates from.

So I went and had a look at that, and it seems that the entire source for what that book talks about with regard to McKinnon is what his mother told Eagleton in an interview. I'm sure she's got her unique insights into it, but she's far from an unbiased observer and the one quote they can attribute to Starmer about being "uncomfortable" when she confronted him directly is understandable from the context of being a prosecuting lawyer in communication with a party to the defence, presumably without the corresponding defence lawyer present.

Any additional details the book mentions about him "Furiously flying to Washington immediately and apologising to his US counterparts" aren't referred to at all by any of the reporting at the time I've seen and from the reviews of the book are mainly supported by Starmer himself not bothering to deny it. Given I'd not heard of this book or author until today that might well be because Starmer didn't want to give it the dignity of a response.

It could all be true, but the basis of it is a book written by someone openly hostile to Starmer, featuring an interview with someone with a good reason to have a negative view of him and his involvement in a case she was very close to and emotionally involved with.

 

[Thomasc]

There is no 'Labour' anymore. That's the point.

You hi early think anybody is going to listen to a senile old scrote who’s voting for George Galloways party?

 

[Rita_Poon]

Isn't it a shame Shemima Begum's dear old ma couldn't blindside may and ask for clemency and reprieve based on her potential suicide trapped in a refugee camp. Funny old world. And she was a genuine teenager when she was trafficked as well.

 

[davek]

@Wizard and more especially @Xizor re the McKinnon case...

McKinnon's story (and more specifically his mother's anecdotal evidence) should be seen in the context of the other cases of a similar nature where Starmer had been all too willing to hand over UK nationals like Christopher Tappin and Talha Assan to the US. Taken together these cases underline the willingness of Starmer's CPS to work with the US Department of Justice and their 'War on Terror'.

 

[davek]

Isn't it a shame Shemima Begum's dear old ma couldn't blindside may and ask for clemency and reprieve based on her potential suicide trapped in a refugee camp. Funny old world. And she was a genuine teenager when she was trafficked as well.

Yeah, its funny when people with Aspberger's are threatened with extradition and then have suicidal thoughts isn;t it?

 

[Goat]

@Wizard and more especially @Xizor re the McKinnon case...

McKinnon's story (and more specifically his mother's anecdotal evidence) should be seen in the context of the other cases of a similar nature where Starmer had been all too willing to hand over UK nationals like Christopher Tappin and Talha Assan to the US. Taken together these cases underline the willingness of Starmer's CPS to work with the US Department of Justice and their 'War on Terror'.

OMG this is huge, this is 100% gonna change my mind, im voting Green.