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[Rita_Poon]

Yeah, okay, May was/is a complete arse, but somehow managed to appear humane compared with Starmer in that particular instance.

Sound. I wonder where both are stood on the Assange case.

 

[Eggs]

He appals me. He's the most sinister, potentially most authoritarian, PM in the making we've had for many a long year.

I stick by what I said all along: this feller will be utterly hated with a vengeance before the first year of his premiership is out.

…is there anything you like about him, Dave? His haircut?

 

[Rita_Poon]

It's relative I suppose. I mean I don't suppose if we went back in time we'd view the Major government, or even the Blair government as being without sleaze and corruption, but they both seem saintly compared to the shambles since 2016. I'm not expecting Mother Theresa, just something better than we've had for the last 7 years.

I reckon you are being awfully kind there. that crud-heap clegg enabled osborne and camerons austerity whilst going under the bus over tuition fees. 'fixing the roof whilst the sun shines'. may was home sec 2010-16, and was instrumental in the 'hostile environment' policy that resulted in the Windrush scandal. It is also very important to consider the timing of the sale of the post office, especially in relation to the ongoing scandal that was hushed up to ensure the sale. I know there is a lot more to mine in terms of the shady and underhand efforts of that cabal at the time. Yes it came to a head under that prick boris, but they weren't clean sheets to start with.

 

[Rita_Poon]

I just looked into this as it sounded a bit mad. He wasn't a teenager, he was in his mid-30's and did a bit more than looking for UFO stuff. His extradition case took 10 years to be decided, eventually being blocked due to him having Asperger's and being a suicide risk. Alan Johnson was Home Secretary for part of this time and he said he should have been extradited and criticised May. When May finally blocked it Keir Starmer had to decide whether to prosecute in the UK and decided not to.

So a bit more complicated than "May saving the young teen from Starmer".

Gary McKinnon - Wikipedia

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Nicely done. Well researched.

 

[orchard]

I just looked into this as it sounded a bit mad. He wasn't a teenager, he was in his mid-30's and did a bit more than looking for UFO stuff. His extradition case took 10 years to be decided, eventually being blocked due to him having Asperger's and being a suicide risk. Alan Johnson was Home Secretary for part of this time and he said he should have been extradited and criticised May. When May finally blocked it Keir Starmer had to decide whether to prosecute in the UK and decided not to.

So a bit more complicated than "May saving the young teen from Starmer".

Gary McKinnon - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Well found, I stand corrected cheers

 

[Xizor]

A 13-ish year old who hacked a US gov server looking for UFO stuff was going to be extradited to the US for a C70yr sentence by Starmer but May overruled his decision.
Very long, had it on in the background.

Disregarding what we've already since found out about McKinnon here, I did just pop on that relevant section of the video to see what the fuss was about. Like many of theses 'deep dive' videos about a subject it's just one guy with an enthusiastically-held opinion he's happy to share without any supporting data, just what he's read and decided to pass on. There's lots of negative characterisations about how things happened, but he gives no indication how he knows any of it, beyond I assume having read the Eagleton book where all this stuff originates from.

So I went and had a look at that, and it seems that the entire source for what that book talks about with regard to McKinnon is what his mother told Eagleton in an interview. I'm sure she's got her unique insights into it, but she's far from an unbiased observer and the one quote they can attribute to Starmer about being "uncomfortable" when she confronted him directly is understandable from the context of being a prosecuting lawyer in communication with a party to the defence, presumably without the corresponding defence lawyer present.

Any additional details the book mentions about him "Furiously flying to Washington immediately and apologising to his US counterparts" aren't referred to at all by any of the reporting at the time I've seen and from the reviews of the book are mainly supported by Starmer himself not bothering to deny it. Given I'd not heard of this book or author until today that might well be because Starmer didn't want to give it the dignity of a response.

It could all be true, but the basis of it is a book written by someone openly hostile to Starmer, featuring an interview with someone with a good reason to have a negative view of him and his involvement in a case she was very close to and emotionally involved with.

 

[Wizard]

Disregarding what we've already since found out about McKinnon here, I did just pop on that relevant section of the video to see what the fuss was about. Like many of theses 'deep dive' videos about a subject it's just one guy with an enthusiastically-held opinion he's happy to share without any supporting data, just what he's read and decided to pass on. There's lots of negative characterisations about how things happened, but he gives no indication how he knows any of it, beyond I assume having read the Eagleton book where all this stuff originates from.

So I went and had a look at that, and it seems that the entire source for what that book talks about with regard to McKinnon is what his mother told Eagleton in an interview. I'm sure she's got her unique insights into it, but she's far from an unbiased observer and the one quote they can attribute to Starmer about being "uncomfortable" when she confronted him directly is understandable from the context of being a prosecuting lawyer in communication with a party to the defence, presumably without the corresponding defence lawyer present.

Any additional details the book mentions about him "Furiously flying to Washington immediately and apologising to his US counterparts" aren't referred to at all by any of the reporting at the time I've seen and from the reviews of the book are mainly supported by Starmer himself not bothering to deny it. Given I'd not heard of this book or author until today that might well be because Starmer didn't want to give it the dignity of a response.

It could all be true, but the basis of it is a book written by someone openly hostile to Starmer, featuring an interview with someone with a good reason to have a negative view of him and his involvement in a case she was very close to and emotionally involved with.

Good post. Would certainly seem the video was made by someone with an agenda.

I didn't watch it but had a look at the chapter titles to get a jist of what was being talked about. My personal favourite was "Is Keir Starmer a transphobic scumbag who hates kids?".

 

[Amw79]

Good post. Would certainly seem the video was made by someone with an agenda.

I didn't watch it but had a look at the chapter titles to get a jist of what was being talked about. My personal favourite was "Is Keir Starmer a transphobic scumbag who hates kids?".

If another chapter is “Starmer’s dad hated him, and this is why”, I think I might know who made that video.

 

[davek]

I just looked into this as it sounded a bit mad. He wasn't a teenager, he was in his mid-30's and did a bit more than looking for UFO stuff. His extradition case took 10 years to be decided, eventually being blocked due to him having Asperger's and being a suicide risk. Alan Johnson was Home Secretary for part of this time and he said he should have been extradited and criticised May. When May finally blocked it Keir Starmer had to decide whether to prosecute in the UK and decided not to.

So a bit more complicated than "May saving the young teen from Starmer".

Gary McKinnon - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not much more. His instinct was to bow to US pressure and hand him over to them.

Such are Starmer's human rights credentials that he'd willingly allow the yanks to criminalise someone who's neuro-divergent and requires to be judged with a different set of criteria than the bludgeon of the US State Dept.

 

[Goat]

Not much more. His instinct was to bow to US pressure and hand him over to them.

Such are Starmer's human rights credentials that he'd willingly allow the yanks to criminalise someone who's neuro-divergent and requires to be judged with a different set of criteria than the bludgeon of the US State Dept.

Stop simping for the Tories, they hate you.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

I remember reading an interview with him in FHM of all places, felt sorry for him but by his own admission was a long way from being a lad interested in UFOs. When someone willingly becomes a Davek acolyte you have to scrutinise their posts more carefully. Which is a bit of a shame for such a good poster.

Just because someone doesn’t particularly like this iteration of the Labour Party and occasionally agrees with dave’s posts on the subject hardly makes them a davek acolyte, or their position any less valid tbh.

 

[Agent Blue]

Never voting Labour again. Green all the way.

 

[Walken]

Just because someone doesn’t particularly like this iteration of the Labour Party and occasionally agrees with dave’s posts on the subject hardly makes them a davek acolyte, or their position any less valid tbh.

I never said they did, open support of daveks bad faith arguments is the the issue.

 

[davek]

Stop simping for the Tories, they hate you.

That suits me.

Stop 'simping' for a monster like Starmer.

 

[Goat]

Never voting Labour again. Green all the way.

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