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Wales badly needs investment in its railways, as does the North East.

Well I have used rail in both, and they seemed fine to me. Cardiff Central can be a bit busy, but what city station isnt?

I dont get your logic that getting more folk on the trains by "investment" makes any sense. Spend billions linking up tons of towns and villages in South Wales by rail? Would make more sense to give everyone a leccy car for $500.
 
Well I have used rail in both, and they seemed fine to me. Cardiff Central can be a bit busy, but what city station isnt?

I dont get your logic that getting more folk on the trains by "investment" makes any sense. Spend billions linking up tons of towns and villages in South Wales by rail? Would make more sense to give everyone a leccy car for $500.

I would invest in linking up the towns of South Wales through more efficient forms of public transport, yes.
 
I would invest in linking up the towns of South Wales through more efficient forms of public transport, yes.

Where isnt there a railway in South Wales? What towns are not served by one? I have travelled from Bristol to Tenby by rail a few times. It stopped everywhere! I accept the valley villages may well be a different matter, but iirc there is a link from the valleys to Cardiff, and ergo, anywhere from there.
 
Things like capping rail fares, just as with scrapping tuition fees, are fundamentally un-progressive policies as they pass the burden of paying for university and train travel away from those who actually use these things onto those who don't. For all the suggestions that these things have been costed as well, the plans are a long way from that.

Not this again.

Under the old system, people who got "free" education paid it back because they usually got higher-paying jobs, which resulted in them contributing more in taxation.

Universities were not in financial crisis, nor were billions and billions built up in student debt. Now, as the result of policies grounded in "fairness" arguments like yours, universities are in such a state that they will not be able to survive fees being capped and the debt mountain is currently £105 bn (and on course for £330 bn by 2050).

Or take the railways for example. SNCF is a quasi-nationalized entity that has a debt of 47 billion euro, built up over 81 years which and runs national and international rail services, freight services, has built and operates numerous high speed lines and owns its trains, rolling stock, stations, yards, sidings and millions of acres of land. A flexible first class single ticket between Paris and Marseille, for Tuesday the 15th, is 160 euro.

National Rail is a quasi nationalized entity that has a debt of 51 billion euro, built up over 14 years, and runs no services, owns no high speed lines, has very few of its own trains and has spent the ten or so years of its existence selling off its assets in utterly futile attempts to pay off its debt. A first class flexible single ticket between London and Glasgow, for Tuesday the 15th, is £244.

All this "fairness" nonsense boils down to is that we, the taxpayer, pay far more for services that are worse (and getting even worse). It is the very opposite of fair, especially for the generations that will have to deal with the money we have wasted.
 
Where isnt there a railway in South Wales? What towns are not served by one? I have travelled from Bristol to Tenby by rail a few times. It stopped everywhere! I accept the valley villages may well be a different matter, but iirc there is a link from the valleys to Cardiff, and ergo, anywhere from there.

Public transport != Rails.

Mid, North and West Wales are completely unlinked however.
 
Public transport != Rails.

Mid, North and West Wales are completely unlinked however.

The North is a desert for railways.

Mold lost its passenger link in the early 60s (though the line remained until the mid-80s, until obliterated by a Tescos), and now its a commuter town for Wrexham, Chester and even the fair city that protects the country from the Wirral. If the line hadn't been destroyed it would be well used by people using it to commute now.
 
Public transport != Rails.

Mid, North and West Wales are completely unlinked however.

What rail traffic is honestly required between them though? Mid Wales I have driven through, its beautiful, but hardly well populated. North Wales is linked via the route through the borders via Wrexham/Chester, and other than the University and National Library in East Wales, again, hardly a well populated area.

edit. And that town IS linked.
 
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