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Corbyn was on the Andrew Marr show today thought he did well myself, don't suppose it will be spun that way in the media.
Think he often comes across well in interviews and debates. I think a lot of the increased support labour received in between the calling of the snap election and the election itself was because he was given more of a stage on which to speak and he comes across as a decent man who is less inclined to dodge questions.This sets him apart from many other politicians, who are too scared to fart in case they are accused of following through.
 
I mean he's infinitely better than Trump, but I kinda lump most of what Corbyn says in with David Davis' easiest deal in history and they need us more than we need them. Complete an utter fantasy.
Don't know Bruce not sold on a lot of labour politicians at the moment,( or any other parties really) but i find when i actually listen to him, even if i might not fully agree with him on some thing, i can at least see were he is coming from, got a bit of a human touch about him and listens to people, is he the man to lead the party or the country i don't know ,i suspect he wouldn't win an election so he isn't engaging with the wider public outside of the party.
 
Don't know Bruce not sold on a lot of labour politicians at the moment,( or any other parties really) but i find when i actually listen to him, even if i might not fully agree with him on some thing, i can at least see were he is coming from, got a bit of a human touch about him and listens to people, is he the man to lead the party or the country i don't know ,i suspect he wouldn't win an election so he isn't engaging with the wider public outside of the party.

I don't doubt he largely believes the things he says, where I doubt him is in actually implementing any of them. He's never had to do that in his entire adult life. Harking from the sidelines is very different to actually doing stuff.
 
All the fake news media hate Corbyn. He's the plucky underdog man of the people who will make Britain great again.

First of all...

"The overall conclusion from this is that in this case UK journalism played an attackdog, rather than a watchdog, role. This is unhealthy from a democratic point of view and poses serious ethical questions as to the role of the media in a democracy, especially when it concerns the legitimate contestation of the Government of the day."

http://www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/research/pdf/JeremyCorbyn/Cobyn-Report-FINAL.pdf


Second of all, to draw any sort of parallels between Corbyn and Trump is facile to the extreme. Trump called Mexicans rapists, Corbyn advocates for a fairer society.

Why not be honest @Bruce Wayne, you're just upset that Corbyn hasn't pressed that giant big red "STOP BREXIT" button he obviously has, and as a result you discount and devalue every single thing he believes in.
 
First of all...

"The overall conclusion from this is that in this case UK journalism played an attackdog, rather than a watchdog, role. This is unhealthy from a democratic point of view and poses serious ethical questions as to the role of the media in a democracy, especially when it concerns the legitimate contestation of the Government of the day."

http://www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/research/pdf/JeremyCorbyn/Cobyn-Report-FINAL.pdf


Second of all, to draw any sort of parallels between Corbyn and Trump is facile to the extreme. Trump called Mexicans rapists, Corbyn advocates for a fairer society.

Why not be honest @Bruce Wayne, you're just upset that Corbyn hasn't pressed that giant big red "STOP BREXIT" button he obviously has, and as a result you discount and devalue every single thing he believes in.

Obviously I would rather he had a different stance on Brexit but there isn't a great deal to hang my hat on from his manifesto. Some things, such as the share grab, are just downright wrong, whereas the mass nationalisation is bonkers at this moment in time and nowhere near the guarantee of improvement that he suggests. The triple lock on pensions is an especially bonkers policy at a time when retirees are taking ever more of the government's budget. He knows full well that pensioners vote and is electioneering rather than locking retirement age to life expectancy, as would be more sensible. He's not the only politician to do that though of course.

Likewise the pledge to scrap zero hours contracts is one of those policies that is designed to win votes based upon the sketchy knowledge the public have of the matter rather than something clearly thought out. There have been well thought out proposals made by the likes of the RSA on the changing nature of work, and this ignores all of those things and goes for the vote grabbing headline instead. A poor lack of vision from a party rooted in the plight of working people.

Things like capping rail fares, just as with scrapping tuition fees, are fundamentally un-progressive policies as they pass the burden of paying for university and train travel away from those who actually use these things onto those who don't. For all the suggestions that these things have been costed as well, the plans are a long way from that.

Corbyn is a populist, and plays from the populist playbook of saying things that sound lovely but rarely survive contact with reality. Populists gain traction because they're never actually put into a position to have to deliver on them, so they can maintain the charade that their ideas are worthwhile. Brexit, another populist policy, has suffered from that, and we're living through an era of handwringing and buck passing on an epic scale as they try and fob off the failings of both their crackpot vision and their awful attempts to implement it. I don't believe for one minute that Corbyn would fare any better.
 
First of all...

"The overall conclusion from this is that in this case UK journalism played an attackdog, rather than a watchdog, role. This is unhealthy from a democratic point of view and poses serious ethical questions as to the role of the media in a democracy, especially when it concerns the legitimate contestation of the Government of the day."

http://www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/research/pdf/JeremyCorbyn/Cobyn-Report-FINAL.pdf


Second of all, to draw any sort of parallels between Corbyn and Trump is facile to the extreme. Trump called Mexicans rapists, Corbyn advocates for a fairer society.

Why not be honest @Bruce Wayne, you're just upset that Corbyn hasn't pressed that giant big red "STOP BREXIT" button he obviously has, and as a result you discount and devalue every single thing he believes in.

And on the media stuff, I'm not sure the media have ever really been impartial reporters of the news, have they? Pretty much every publication you can think of has an angle, whether it's the Daily Mail or the Morning Star. I wouldn't expect a friendly attitude towards the Tories in the latter any more than I would towards Labour in the former. What is far more damaging than criticism of Corbyn is the amount of twaddle published, especially in the tabloids. I dare say if you fact checked them they'd have a similar track record to Trump. Democracy relies on a well informed electorate and I feel we're a long way from that right now.
 
Obviously I would rather he had a different stance on Brexit but there isn't a great deal to hang my hat on from his manifesto. Some things, such as the share grab, are just downright wrong, whereas the mass nationalisation is bonkers at this moment in time and nowhere near the guarantee of improvement that he suggests. The triple lock on pensions is an especially bonkers policy at a time when retirees are taking ever more of the government's budget. He knows full well that pensioners vote and is electioneering rather than locking retirement age to life expectancy, as would be more sensible. He's not the only politician to do that though of course.

This stinks of a guy that hasn't done a day of manual labour in his entire life.

Likewise the pledge to scrap zero hours contracts is one of those policies that is designed to win votes based upon the sketchy knowledge the public have of the matter rather than something clearly thought out. There have been well thought out proposals made by the likes of the RSA on the changing nature of work, and this ignores all of those things and goes for the vote grabbing headline instead. A poor lack of vision from a party rooted in the plight of working people.

I've worked zero hours, and it's complete crap. I'm fortunate enough to have not had to do it since 2012, but many of my friends still find themselves on them, unable to save, unable to plan.

Things like capping rail fares, just as with scrapping tuition fees, are fundamentally un-progressive policies as they pass the burden of paying for university and train travel away from those who actually use these things onto those who don't. For all the suggestions that these things have been costed as well, the plans are a long way from that.

We need to do more to get people away from private forms of transport, and having a well funded and fairly priced rail system is part of that. Moreover, having a more educated populace is beneficial to every single one of us. I dare ask how you went about funding your University education, but that may be cynical of me - maybe it's because I'm in > £30,000 worth of student debt for having the temerity to seek education.
 
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