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[davek]

Austerity never ended and there is no intention of doing so,

Starmer and his crew will be a one term government.

They have literally nothing sell themselves to anyone other than they're not the Tories.

They have to be the least inspiring from bench team Labour have ever had. A bunch of crooks, plagiarists, torture enablers, genocide supporters and war mongers.

 

[davek]

No.

lol

 

[davek]

No wonder the Greens are falling further behind Labour. Typical 'make love not war' bullcrap. We won't get anywhere without big nukes and a strong leader with no ethics willing to back up his threats to smaller nations with our blood if need be.

lol Indeed.

 

[orchard]

Huh?

Just because a nation's populous is getting taxed massively doesn't necessarily mean that austerity doesn't exist within certain strata mate. I know a few politicians are getting fairly trigger-happy claiming that government spending heavily is socialist. If it's targeted at Firms and maintaining asset prices it certainly isn't.

 

[orchard]

I don't doubt it. This is the quandry. We're being taxed more than ever before and it's not even close to covering expenditure that is in many instances not even close to delivering the kind of services people want. I know we like to think it's Boris and his chums smoking fifties at Checkers, I'm not sure Labour coming in and simply "not being bent" will fix things. I mean debt interest payments alone are currently around 10% of all government spending (or £112bn). Throw in pensions and that's 20% of the government budget gone in an instant, and, assuming you don't think pensioner largesse is throwing money at mates, those are items that can't be blamed on cronyism. The ~£300bn on procurement undoubtedly does, and there has been plenty on the poor value for money the government has achieved with that spending. How much is down to Tory stuff and how much is civil service stuff I don't know. I suppose we'll find out when Labour get in.

I think that 10pc debt servicing is due a massive hike in the near future too Bruce.

 

[tsubaki]

I don't doubt it. This is the quandry. We're being taxed more than ever before and it's not even close to covering expenditure that is in many instances not even close to delivering the kind of services people want. I know we like to think it's Boris and his chums smoking fifties at Checkers, I'm not sure Labour coming in and simply "not being bent" will fix things. I mean debt interest payments alone are currently around 10% of all government spending (or £112bn). Throw in pensions and that's 20% of the government budget gone in an instant, and, assuming you don't think pensioner largesse is throwing money at mates, those are items that can't be blamed on cronyism. The ~£300bn on procurement undoubtedly does, and there has been plenty on the poor value for money the government has achieved with that spending. How much is down to Tory stuff and how much is civil service stuff I don't know. I suppose we'll find out when Labour get in.

Not being bent will fix a lot of things, though sadly that is a bar that the current Labour leadership cadre would find it difficult to get over.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Just because a nation's populous is getting taxed massively doesn't necessarily mean that austerity doesn't exist within certain strata mate. I know a few politicians are getting fairly trigger-happy claiming that government spending heavily is socialist. If it's targeted at Firms and maintaining asset prices it certainly isn't.

Has that really happened though? The FTSE has hugely underperformed compared to other indices (and certainly compared to America), and there has been a lot of concern that the index is mostly populated by "old economy" stocks, with Brexit and the general state of the economy meaning few sexy flotations have happened in recent memory. You could very well argue that planning laws are designed with NIMBYs in mind, but that's a policy rather than a tax thing.

 

[Goat]

Starmer and his crew will be a one term government.

They have literally nothing sell themselves to anyone other than they're not the Tories.

They have to be the least inspiring from bench team Labour have ever had. A bunch of crooks, plagiarists, torture enablers, genocide supporters and war mongers.

Sounds like the kind of leadership we need in this current geopolitical landscape.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I think that 10pc debt servicing is due a massive hike in the near future too Bruce.

Quite probably, aye.

 

[davek]

Sounds like the kind of leadership we need in this current geopolitical landscape.

The current geopolitical landscape demands political leadership that can break through the impasse we've arrived at: the unprincipled turning of a blind eye to atrocities in Palestine that threatens to destabilise the Middle East. The last thing we need is another Atlanticist boot licker like Starmer ready to hold the Yank's coat while it supplies more weapons to Israel so they can annihilate a whole population.

 

[Goat]

The current geopolitical landscape demands political leadership that can break through the impasse we've arrived at: the unprincipled turning of a blind eye to atrocities in Palestine that threatens to destabilise the Middle East. The last thing we need is another Atlanticist boot licker like Starmer ready to hold the Yank's coat while it supplies more weapons to Israel so they can annihilate a whole population.

Just vote Labour, we can worry about the next 5 years in 5 years.

 

[davek]

Just vote Labour, we can worry about the next 5 years in 5 years.

I've said many times on here that I could never forgive myself voting for that lot. I think everyone knows they'll be as bad as the Tories.

At least I and others can always say we had no part in bringing them to power.

 

[Rita_Poon]

pride cometh before the falleth.

 

[Goat]

I've said many times on here that I could never forgive myself voting for that lot. I think everyone knows they'll be as bad as the Tories.

At least I and others can always say we had no part in bringing them to power.

I just want The Nazi Party gone forever.

 

[davek]

I just want The Nazi Party gone forever.

This would be like replacing Hitler with Mussolini.