NilSatisOptimum
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Good speech from Bristol by Starmer.
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You can generally take the opposite of anything he says to be true and real. As is the case with @davek
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Take a look at the post I made before this as just one reason. The others being he is a confirmed Thatcherite, and as leader has ignored all reports concluding that his team were complicit in racism toward party members, he broke almost all the promises he made as a leadership candidate, backs ethnic cleansing in Gaza. He's a man who has, when DPP, sanctioned the spy cop rapes, allowed extraordinary rendition and torturing to have occurred without punishment, signed off on the de Menezes assassination by the Met.
Is that enough for you to be going on with?
No. It's well understood that you don't like Starmer, but what you're not explaining is why you want him to lose the election and for the Tories to win instead, when it comes to "what comes next", which is your offered justification for your stance.
You have a long term vision of a true Socialist government taking up power in 2028/29, but you're not linking your desired 2024 Tory victory to delivering that outcome, nor explaining why a Starmer victory makes it less likely.
This is the disconnect you keep dancing around.
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I wonder if the Manchurian Candidate has been sent out with the buzz words 'project hope' because that's all they have to offer - the hope that something better happens over the next 5 years or so. Because the policies he's peddling presently (no doubt he'll flip again soon) don't offer any plan of action to get this country moving again due to Reeve's 'Iron Clad Fiscal Rules'. No borrowing, no wealth tax, no large infrastructural projects, the 'green economy' £28B boost now watered down and backed up into the latter half of the a first term in office - in effect binned. All he has to offer is allowing the private sector to run amok with more deregulation than the Tories would even have tried in the hope that the economy picks up (presumably due to the 'native entrepreneurial spirit' he spoke of) and that if it does some crumbs fall off the top table into the mouths of the serfs waiting patiently below.
The Starmer Government is going to be a car crash every day. They'll be battered by the media for being hopeless at being Tories, and battered by the unions who won't stand for any of his BS attempts to hold down pay, and he'll be battered by ordinary people who they'll have conned into believing there'd be 'a national renewal' under his leadership rather than same old Tory failure.
The Starmer Government is going to be a car crash every day. They'll be battered by the media for being hopeless at being Tories, and battered by the unions who won't stand for any of his BS attempts to hold down pay, and he'll be battered by ordinary people who they'll have conned into believing there'd be 'a national renewal' under his leadership rather than same old Tory failure.
I basically see Starmer similarly to Biden in 2020 - not very good, but better than the alternative, which currently is the best you can hope for given the far right wave which has been sweeping the globe the past few years.
In another 5 years there may be a chance at a much more left leaning government, but that isn’t happening this election.
In another 5 years there may be a chance at a much more left leaning government, but that isn’t happening this election.
I think you’re more likely to see a very right wing, populist conservative opposition with Labour moving further right to try and appeal to ‘centrists’ A lot depends on who the Tories elect as leader.
Expect Labour to win although don’t expect a landslide and could quite easily be in a weak coalition. From that point on, lines like ‘Labour have to move to centre ground’ and ‘the U.K. won’t ever elect a left wing government’ will be trotted out again for a generation.
It’s possible, though I think Labour should probably win a healthy majority solely based on the Tories being so bad.
In another 5 years we may see a more progressive swing, given that I doubt people under the age of 35 currently are likely to swing to the right like so many did in past generations mainly because of how rough it’s been politically on this country for the entirety of the tories reign (plus if 16 year olds get the vote anytime soon the tories are finished)
I dunno, different contexts I know but think Trump will get back in the states for example. Wouldn’t like to see a vote in France between Macron and Le Pen now either.
It’s a pretty grim state of affairs to elect a party largely on the back of how bad the opposition are in my opinion.
Well buzz words worked for Boris Johnson to get the Tories back in power Dave, surely that is the aim ? To get in power. Get Brexit done is what is remembered to get that turd into power, the less said about his government that followed is the better.
So you've just run away from the question and decided to start having another anti Starmer tantrum again?
Dave, why do you want a Tory government between 2024-29? Why does a terrible Starmer government worry you so much if the Socialists are just going to sweep all before them?
Why are you petrified of answering this?
NilSatisOptimum
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It’s worth voting Starmer for taxing the top 5% more fairly apart from the 5% whats not to like...
They own the press, and are the funders of the tories, so the backlash from them will be gigantic. Some remedial weapon coughed up about 'looking after your children' and the riposte was 'how many other peoples childrens throats does that mean cutting'. Well, we're about to find out.
Oh it’s definitely a grim state of affairs, and I agree that Trump will almost certainly get in in the US.
I think the context in the UK is a little different because the country has gone so far backwards in the last 14 odd years of Tory reign, which very few countries have done to this level
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