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Starmer will give a speech today that sets out his austerity programme if elected. More cuts to the public sector, borrowing won't be a strategy to kick start the economy. The big plan is to 'increase productivity' and 'grow the economy'. That'll be used to fund the public sector.

It's here and it's Thatcherism on steroids.


Anyone preparing to vote for this lot at least go into it with eyes wide open now, because this feller is handing you the play book to read. There is no room for buyers remorse in 2 years time or so. He's telling you what you'll get.

 
Their 'jokes' are not only unfunny but also hate crimes on any neuro-divergent posters. Look at how they easily reach for the 'crackpot' insult.

I do hope people who post in the Mental Health thread who may be effected by being neuro-divergent don't look in on this one.
If you are neurodivergent then that's a fair comment- however I'm fairly sure that isn't public knowledge.

If you aren't, well, that's a despicable attempt to grab the moral high ground.
 
You've nailed it.

I like giving Davek gyp in here (he's a wonder to behold when in full flow), but he's right in that the Greens offer a voice that the Labour party currently don't. What puts a lot off vitong for them is the sense it is a 'wasted' vote in many seats. So we see tactical voting to oust the Tories.

Mind you, the current system arguably helped keep dangers like Farage and UKIP in check. Silver lining etc.
But when UKIP/ Brexit party or whatever, started pulling in votes, the tories shifted tack to swallow these up. My hope would be if the Labour Party saw votes going to the likes of the Greens, they would also follow suit. It’s a tough position but wouldn’t necessarily say it’s a wasted vote.
 
But when UKIP/ Brexit party or whatever, started pulling in votes, the tories shifted tack to swallow these up. My hope would be if the Labour Party saw votes going to the likes of the Greens, they would also follow suit. It’s a tough position but wouldn’t necessarily say it’s a wasted vote.
I'd not like to chance it in my constituency. There was a 208 majority for Labour in the 2019 election. I'm not convinced there's going to be a swing back to Labour. If anything the Greens taking votes let's the Tories have the seat.

Maybe not wasted, but a risky vote imho.
 
What do you think labour will do differently with regards to immigration? Maybe not send people to Rwanda or call people cockroaches etc but I genuinely don’t see them trying to change the narrative. They’re too scared to properly talk about it.
As I explained previously, I think any party will struggle right now to change the narrative as its become so poisonous. I generally advocate open borders, so don't like it one bit, but it's where we are. My only hope is that they become a multi-term government and the first is used to destink government, with subsequent terms used to take us back in a proper direction again.

On a positive note, for all of the Tories despicable language around immigration, it is at very high levels. This has always been the thing with them, their language and actions seldom join up, but they bank on their daft voters not really bothering to check. Just so long as the narrative is one of hate, they get away with actually pretty high immigration numbers. Suffice it to say, it's not an approach I like, but I don't know how you change it. I was listening to the Today Programme this morning, for instance, and they were discussing Rwanda as though it's a meaningful attempt to change things, despite the fact that a) it's morally repugnant, and b) only going to affect a tiny proportion of the asylum seekers coming here. The flagship political programme didn't ask any of those questions.
 
As I explained previously, I think any party will struggle right now to change the narrative as its become so poisonous. I generally advocate open borders, so don't like it one bit, but it's where we are. My only hope is that they become a multi-term government and the first is used to destink government, with subsequent terms used to take us back in a proper direction again.

On a positive note, for all of the Tories despicable language around immigration, it is at very high levels. This has always been the thing with them, their language and actions seldom join up, but they bank on their daft voters not really bothering to check. Just so long as the narrative is one of hate, they get away with actually pretty high immigration numbers. Suffice it to say, it's not an approach I like, but I don't know how you change it. I was listening to the Today Programme this morning, for instance, and they were discussing Rwanda as though it's a meaningful attempt to change things, despite the fact that a) it's morally repugnant, and b) only going to affect a tiny proportion of the asylum seekers coming here. The flagship political programme didn't ask any of those questions.
Minimum salary cap about to rise for foreign workers as well as restrictions on how many dependents can come with. QT last week highlighted the distress in care homes this will cause.
 
If you are neurodivergent then that's a fair comment- however I'm fairly sure that isn't public knowledge.

If you aren't, well, that's a despicable attempt to grab the moral high groground


He seems to be hell bent on looking for new lows lately. Being banned from the CA was actually a blessing for him as he is systematically destroying a once enjoyed profile.
 
As I explained previously, I think any party will struggle right now to change the narrative as its become so poisonous. I generally advocate open borders, so don't like it one bit, but it's where we are. My only hope is that they become a multi-term government and the first is used to destink government, with subsequent terms used to take us back in a proper direction again.

On a positive note, for all of the Tories despicable language around immigration, it is at very high levels. This has always been the thing with them, their language and actions seldom join up, but they bank on their daft voters not really bothering to check. Just so long as the narrative is one of hate, they get away with actually pretty high immigration numbers. Suffice it to say, it's not an approach I like, but I don't know how you change it. I was listening to the Today Programme this morning, for instance, and they were discussing Rwanda as though it's a meaningful attempt to change things, despite the fact that a) it's morally repugnant, and b) only going to affect a tiny proportion of the asylum seekers coming here. The flagship political programme didn't ask any of those questions.
Think it was in the Guardian I read an analysis along the lines of the current high immigration levels being due to Brexit. EU workers were more transitory and often didn't bring families. Recruiting from further afield sees more migratory patterns where folk want to stay longer and bring their families. It's rational - it's a bigger move, harder to get back home relatively quickly, arguably better long term prospects in settling etc.

So yes, they're screeching at a problem of their own making.
 
If you are neurodivergent then that's a fair comment- however I'm fairly sure that isn't public knowledge.

If you aren't, well, that's a despicable attempt to grab the moral high ground.
No, I haven't gt it. But it doesn't mean I don't think that calling one person a crackpot and loony is a valid way of debating.

Perhaps you cold reflect on that.
 
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