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Not even sure how labour will be any different except not going on about wokes all the time or wanting to send people to Rwanda.
People seem to be trusting that they’ll do what’s right just cos it’s Labour.
There could well be some shocks in store.
We have to be mindful of the fact that we're almost certainly in the foothills of an election cycle, so Starmer is almost certainly trying to appeal to people who jumped into bed with Johnson last time out. That's inevitably going to annoy the core Labour voters as the person Johnson stole votes from was Corbyn. The question for me is more what he's likely to do when he's in office rather than over the next six months.
 
Right, but I don't know the various constituencies well enough to interpret the data. If I want to assess American elections data, I have lived a lot of places and know where to dig, right down to the precinct (polling site) level if I want to say something about how a group of the electorate voted. If I want to know how Muslim voters responded to Israel/Palestine in a gubernatorial, congressional and presidential election, I know where to find them clustered to say whether, and how much, they blamed Biden or their member of Congress. Ditto for most demographic breakdowns I might want to make.

If I play with the data for a good long while, I might start to get a feel for it, but there's a lot I don't know and can't back out from just the data. As an example, I already know that Labour beats the Tories like a drum in the Islington constituencies, and that the reverse is true in Kensington and Chelsea, but I haven't the faintest idea why. Looks like a bunch of rich people real estate to me. I would expect those seats to all be in Tory hands, because it would work that way over here.
 
My money would be on Wes Streeting, Rachel Reeves, and Margaret Hodge for starters.
Jess Phillips was also delighted when Labour lost one of those elections (I can't remember which of the two it was). And underneath frontline MPs there were lots within the party who were trying to sabotage the leader at that time. That's why I think it's a bit unfair for right-leaning members of the party to accuse others of Tory enabling.
 
So has everyone.

Doesn't mean the opposition can go without criticism.
Critise and hold them to account when in power.

They are not in power though and all sensible minds should understand that getting the tories out is the one objective at present, and Starmer and Labour are the only party realistically capable of doing
 
There's a very good chance nothing improves and the Labour Govt will be seen to fail and only last one term.

But in good conscience I can't let the current ghouls stay in power even if this Labour party have a whiff about them.

Electoral rock and hard place.
My worry is a populist and further right wing Tory party emerging in significant opposition and Labour lurching further right to occupy ‘the centre ground’

Immigration is the big concern and Labour have had a weak and confused message on this for ages. Tories can just act all hardline with Labour likely to try and follow.

People will only vote ‘not Tory’ for so long.
 
A one day pause is better than a ceasefire?

Why is a full ceasefire unachievable? Have ceasefires never happened ever before?

They take demands from governments like the US and to a lesser degree the UK.

A party of principle in opposition in this country DEMANDS that ceasefire...but we haven;t got such a party now...we have Starmer's party who are totally in thrall to the Israeli lobby and petrified of being tainted with the BS anti-semitism tag.

There is an empty shell where the Labout Party used to be.
...and the Tory Party and the Libs and the...
oh, and deffo the greens
(I dont class NF or UKIP and their ilk or their far left equivalents as real parties)
 
Critise and hold them to account when in power.

They are not in power though and all sensible minds should understand that getting the tories out is the one objective at present, and Starmer and Labour are the only party realistically capable of doing
That’s a ridiculous stance and sets a dangerous precedence. Their proposed policies and rhetoric must be scrutinised and held to account otherwise we run the risk of ending up with the most useless government in modern times.
 
That’s a ridiculous stance and sets a dangerous precedence. Their proposed policies and rhetoric must be scrutinised and held to account otherwise we run the risk of ending up with the most useless government in modern times.
We are currently suffering the most useless, corrupt and dangerous government that has existed in decades. And the current government show no signs of changing or improving. They keep finding new lows. What is most dangerous in my mind is the possibility of them managing to cling onto power.
 
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