tsubaki
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“Disgusting meeting” ffs. You are no socialist, Joey.
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“Disgusting meeting” ffs. You are no socialist, Joey.
The hell are you on about Joe? None of that makes any sense.
tsubaki
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The thing with Labour is that there really isn’t 400000 ideologically committed Corbynistas; if there was he’d have control of the party at all levels.
What there is in the party is a large majority who recognise that, of all the potential leaders, he is the best (or alternatively least bad), the most likely to win an election - and they are not wrong to think that given the competing records of Corbyn and the PLP. That was why he won so massively among members in 2015, after all (ie before conventional wisdom tells us the entryists joined).
He did kinda lose the general election against the Maybot though? Even now, how much credit can we give to Corbyn when the Tories seem hellbent on committing the biggest act of political harikari we've seen in a very long time?
What on earth... now he's being attacked for reading an autocue?
tsubaki
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He did lose, Bruce - but the point was that of all the potential Labour leaders he came closer to winning than any of them would have (or indeed did when they ran the party).
As for Brexit, it needs to be stopped but the question is how to stop it.
The centrists would like us to believe that we should have a second referendum now, even though it would face almost all of the Press, the Government and even worse dark money than last time and we have no idea who would lead Remain or who would fund it or what the options would be. This is not a safe or indeed a sane position to take. Current Labour policy is better (wait to see what the deal actually is) but could be improved on (especially if the PLP shut up about Corbyn).
Timing is everything isn't it? The fact that by the end of this parliament the government will have been in for over 10 years and made such a mess of Brexit suggests Labour are a shoe in whomever they had as leader. I wonder if we're reaching a turning point. It's noticeable that even the die hards on here have struggled to mount much a repost when faced with the realities of a no deal Brexit by those on the front line of such discussions. Of course there will be many who committed so fully to Brexit at all costs that they cannot stomach a climb down, so contort reality into whatever form maintains their view that this is going well, but it doesn't need many to switch to put this to bed.
What is more worrying is healing the rifts this has caused. We're already seeing a rekindling of support for UKIP, which given the frankly staggering comments made by their leader at the Free Robinson rally is incredibly depressing, but there has been no real intellectual guiding light in Westminster saying that globalisation has been tremendously beneficial to society, but we are going to help communities adapt better to it. In large part it's a reversion to the politics of the 70s rather than the 2020s. All this rubbish about nationalising the bloody railways, like that's going to shape Britain as a country in future.
I mean all the evidence says that migration is enormously beneficial both to society as a whole and us as individuals. We have employers from the private and public sectors saying how important it is for them, yet do we have any cheerleaders for migration on the Labour frontbench? Do we buggery. Do we have any policies on how central government can help regions adapt to changing populations? Nada. Even their plan for a National Education Service is pretty weak when you actually look at the details, especially in terms of helping the 'left behinds'. It's largely a case of wheeling out old [failed] ideas and throwing cash at them.
Suffice to say, the Lib Dems have been equally uninspiring, and you can see how people like Macron got elected as the old parties are increasingly insipid and uninspiring.
Well it's on topic it makes sense to me ok!
Why did he apologise for it then ........halfhearted yes......
tsubaki
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Not sure at all about the point about migration; for a start surely the way in which to make people realise how beneficial it has been is to point to (and correct) the things that have been done which migrants have been blamed for, but which are actually down to the Government and its policies. Corbyn even said (in his conference speech of 2016) that he'd bring back the Migration Impact Fund, which would go at least some way to helping regions affected by it.
Secondly the vast majority of Labour MPs who have called on Labour "to take account of the feelings" over immigration (ie: give the impression that it is bad) are almost all in opposition to Corbyn, who for all his many faults has never brought out a mug on the subject.
As for politics generally, you are right that timing is everything - personally, I think that given the disadvantages Labour has (and had even when Corbyn wasnt leader) such as the media and financial imbalance towards the Tories, that Brexit and the next referendum have to be faced when as many people as possible have had as long as possible to realise the scale of the horror that Brexit represents. He (and we) will only get one shot at it.
tsubaki
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As was pointed out to you at the time, he apologised for appearing with people whose views he rejects, not for the meeting itself (which he organized).
peteblue
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400,000 is not enough to win an election....
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Which Labour rule did she break.......
Urn just been on the news yet another apology about the problem pushed forward by Tom Watson.....
tsubaki
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Probably Appendix 9 (the NEC Codes of Conduct) pete.
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