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[Bruce Wayne]

Why have an opinion on anything until you're in power, right?

Well it seems he has an opinion, as Dave thinks that opinion is killing a lot of people. I'm just saying that the opinion of the leader of the opposition isn't going to kill or save anyone as it lacks any meaningful power. If it did, maybe the Middle East would have been a bed of roses under Corbyn. It's little more than virtue signalling.

 

[Milkman]

Well it seems he has an opinion, as Dave thinks that opinion is killing a lot of people. I'm just saying that the opinion of the leader of the opposition isn't going to kill or save anyone as it lacks any meaningful power. If it did, maybe the Middle East would have been a bed of roses under Corbyn. It's little more than virtue signalling.

I'm pretty sure that this same logic was absent during the People's Vote days.

Apologies if I'm wrong on that, but back then it felt like the leader of the opposition should be able to solve world hunger and cure cancer.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I'm pretty sure that this same logic was absent during the People's Vote days.

Apologies if I'm wrong on that, but back then it felt like the leader of the opposition should be able to solve world hunger and cure cancer.

Again though, the campaign for a second referendum was a) something that was a key part of a very real electioneering campaign at the time; b) was something that could be acted on pretty quickly if elected; and c) a clear point of differentiation from the Tories.

So there was every expectation that had Labour backed that and campaigned for it during the 2019 election that a 2nd vote would have happened. If Starmer actively says Israel are shits, what do we realistically expect will happen? Has anything meaningful happened due to the SNP speaking up?

 

[Nightman]

Who gives a toss about those sleazy gets? They're finished.

The Starmer Tory Party are the only party worth scrutinising now.

No mate. Your determination to be proved right has overtaken your morality on who is to blame and why.

You may well be proved right. But I think you'd actually rather that than Starmer succeeding for the people of this country, which brings your character and behavior into scrutiny, ironically.

 

[Baines' left foot]

True, but it is evident that more and more people are trashing everywhere they go.

This is true. I live in a semi rural area and since lockdown all the places I used to walk have been spoiled by littering. People parking like idiots just because there’s nothing specific to say they can’t park there. There’s been a clear shift in mentality over the last few years.

Stories of farmer’s livestock being mauled by walker’s dogs, people taking it upon themselves to feed cows and horses etc. and then taking offence when they’re told not to, you know, in case the horse has dietary issues unbeknown to the random walker wanting their quick nature fix for the ‘good vibes’. There’s a lot of entitlement.

I don’t blame the landowners one bit. I’d do the exact same.

 

[davek]

No mate. Your determination to be proved right has overtaken your morality on who is to blame and why.

You may well be proved right. But I think you'd actually rather that than Starmer succeeding for the people of this country, which brings your character and behavior into scrutiny, ironically.

My character is under scrutiny but you want people to vote for a man who's green-lighted ethnic cleansing in Gaza with 7,000 murdered so far?

Ok.

 

[Nightman]

My character is under scrutiny but you want people to vote for a man who's green-lighted ethnic cleansing in Gaza with 7,000 murdered so far?

Ok.

Greenlighted...FFS.

Your problem Davek is that you think in absolutes. This isn't black or white.

 

[davek]

Not a good source if we are going down the academic plagiarism route.

As all legal barriers ended in February 2023 on Rupert Murdoch interfering in the editorial independence of the Times and the Sunday Times they had been in place since he bought the newspapers in 1981.

This was done by none other than Nadine Dorries

This is all about intellectual property and academic rigour (or the failure of it).

She KNEW what she was doing. She hacked out and copied and pasted whole swathes of text from the internet and other books and presented it AS HER OWN WORK.

Now, I don't know about you, but Ild say that cheating undermines her and puts a huge question mark over her character and judgement.

 

[davek]

Greenlighted...FFS.

Your problem Davek is that you think in absolutes. This isn't black or white.

He stated it was I∫∫rael's right to apply a siege on Gaza. And now he compounds it by refusing to call for a ceasefire whe progressive politicians around the world call for one.

He is not fit to be a Labour leader.

 

[Nightman]

He stated it was I∫∫rael's right to apply a siege on Gaza. And now he compounds it by refusing to call for a ceasefire whe progressive politicians around the world call for one.

He is not fit to be a Labour leader.

He didn't give Israel permission to do anything. He was asked for his opinion and he gave it...right or wrong.
If you're looking for the culprits who greenlit anything, I'd be looking at two very obvious candidates. I'll meet you in the Tory thread to discuss further.

 

[davek]

He didn't give Israel permission to do anything. He was asked for his opinion and he gave it...right or wrong.
If you're looking for the culprits who greenlit anything, I'd be looking at two very obvious candidates. I'll meet you in the Tory thread to discuss further.

Forget the Tory thread. It's moribund like they are as far as I'm concerned.

If we're to be governed by Starmer's 'Labour' then they need to be scrutinised...and what I see is a nu-Tory Party...not even the consolation of a nu-New Labour.

This lot are appalling in every single way: they break their promises even before getting into power, have the backing of (and back) big business and they support an odious apartheid regime.

 

[Eggs]

Forget the Tory thread. It's moribund like they are as far as I'm concerned.

If we're to be governed by Starmer's 'Labour' then they need to be scrutinised...and what I see is a nu-Tory Party...not even the consolation of a nu-New Labour.

This lot are appalling in every single way: they break their promises even before getting into power, have the backing of (and back) big business and they support an odious apartheid regime.

…..thanks to Starmer, they have become electable.

 

[Walken]

This is true. I live in a semi rural area and since lockdown all the places I used to walk have been spoiled by littering. People parking like idiots just because there’s nothing specific to say they can’t park there. There’s been a clear shift in mentality over the last few years.

Stories of farmer’s livestock being mauled by walker’s dogs, people taking it upon themselves to feed cows and horses etc. and then taking offence when they’re told not to, you know, in case the horse has dietary issues unbeknown to the random walker wanting their quick nature fix for the ‘good vibes’. There’s a lot of entitlement.

I don’t blame the landowners one bit. I’d do the exact same.

Is there any actual data that 'right to roam' causes harm to natutral ecosystems beyond the anecdotal waffling of biodiversity destroying farmers or tory landowners?

 

[roydo]

Is there any actual data that 'right to roam' causes harm to natutral ecosystems beyond the anecdotal waffling of biodiversity destroying farmers or tory landowners?

It is more the sense of entitlement/ignorance that I see often. Leaving gates open, dogs off leads, traipsing across random fields of crops. Farm land are working areas; farmers pay for the upkeep of footpaths and gates and stuff; all they want is for folk to respect the boundaries between a path, and a field.

 

[davek]

…..thanks to Starmer, they have become electable.

Great. Now they get to service corporate Britain and continue austerity.

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