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[tsubaki]

Still won't call for a ceasefire, Starmer. Just a 'pause' for aid to get in.

Israel has to have its chance to 'defend itself' first...AKA a ground offensive killing potentially tens of thousands of people.

This isn’t a defence of Starmer, or Sunak, but a “pause” is a ceasefire in all but name; once the bombing stops there will be immense pressure brought about to ensure it doesn’t restart, and it’s not possible to deliver aid for X hours / days - it will be continually needed.

 

[davek]

This isn’t a defence of Starmer, or Sunak, but a “pause” is a ceasefire in all but name; once the bombing stops there will be immense pressure brought about to ensure it doesn’t restart, and it’s not possible to deliver aid for X hours / days - it will be continually needed.

The 'ceasefire in all but name' is only taking place so that Joe Biden can get a few photo-ops for next years US election with freed hostages.

 

[davek]

That rat Starmer getting a blocking...

Keir Starmer has conceded to Muslim Labour MPs that his visit to a south Wales mosque could have been handled better, the Guardian understands, as he faces mounting pressure from all wings of the party to call for a ceasefire in Gaza.

The shadow women and equalities minister, Yasmin Qureshi, publicly broke Labour ranks on Wednesday and urged Rishi Sunak to call for a ceasefire during prime minister’s questions. She said the people of Gaza were subject to “collective punishment” for “crimes they did not commit”.

Many in Labour feared that Qureshi risked losing the whip for her comments. But in a sign that the leadership has acknowledged the deepening fractures across the party, a Labour spokesperson said:

If I heard the question correctly … she was asking the prime minister what the conditions were that would lead the prime minister to support a ceasefire.
The Labour leader and his deputy, Angela Rayner, met more than a dozen Muslim politicians on Wednesday afternoon, who stressed that his positioning on the Israel-Hamas conflict was causing distress to many in the party.

Those in attendance were said to have argued that the disappointment felt by many in the party amounted to much more than a “Jewish-Muslim community issue”, the Guardian understands.

Sources described the meeting as “constructive” and “robust”, with Starmer and Rayner said to be in “full listening mode”.

 

[davek]

Imagine having Dan Hodges as a cheerleader...

 

[Thomasc]

Well let’s not be disingenuous, whatever his stance, he is going to be called out by either side isn’t he?

You know how the gutter UK press work.
Any sympathy for Palestinians is blatantly going to result in a Labour anti-semitism campaign again by the media.

He can of course try and remain as neutral as possible, but that would still not be enough for either side you feel.

He could of course call for a ceasefire, which would show compassion for the ordinary citizens of Palestine who are dying in their thousands, but again, you can’t help but feel that would be used against him by the right wing U.K. press as it’s the only possible positive news the Tory party are currently generating against Labour.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Well let’s not be disingenuous, whatever his stance, he is going to be called out by either side isn’t he?

You know how the gutter UK press work.
Any sympathy for Palestinians is blatantly going to result in a Labour anti-semitism campaign again by the media.

He can of course try and remain as neutral as possible, but that would still not be enough for either side you feel.

He could of course call for a ceasefire, which would show compassion for the ordinary citizens of Palestine who are dying in their thousands, but again, you can’t help but feel that would be used against him by the right wing U.K. press as it’s the only possible positive news the Tory party are currently generating against Labour.

Exactly this. He'd be called Corbyn mk 2 and all sorts of mud slung. We're in the early stages of Electioneering season, there's no chance he's going to say anything to upset the electorate turned off by Corbyn.

Having said that he's peeing off the electorate turned on by Corbyn. My friends who adored the man compare the relative levels of their principles and integrity. Starmer loses there.

 

[davek]

Well let’s not be disingenuous, whatever his stance, he is going to be called out by either side isn’t he?
You know how the gutter UK press work.
Any sympathy for Palestinians is blatantly going to result in a Labour anti-semitism campaign again by the media.
He can of course try and remain as neutral as possible, but that would still not be enough for either side you feel.
He could of course call for a ceasefire, which would show compassion for the ordinary citizens of Palestine who are dying in their thousands, but again, you can’t help but feel that would be used against him by the right wing U.K. press as it’s the only possible positive news the Tory party are currently generating against Labour.

Exactly this. He'd be called Corbyn mk 2 and all sorts of mud slung. We're in the early stages of Electioneering season, there's no chance he's going to say anything to upset the electorate turned off by Corbyn.

Having said that he's peeing off the electorate turned on by Corbyn. My friends who adored the man compare the relative levels of their principles and integrity. Starmer loses there.

And what do you think is of greater importance: giving the Palestinians a chance to live or for him to get bad press off the Tory media?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

And what do you think is of greater importance: giving the Palestinians a chance to live or for him to get bad press off the Tory media?

What power does he have to affect the lives of Palestinians?

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

What power does he have to affect the lives of Palestinians?

I was going to post something similar.

There's an argument that he could (Should?) be putting pressure on Sunak to intervene more forcefully as leader of the opposition, but I'd guess the public pronouncements do not mirror the diplomatic conversations in private.

But yeah, until he's in power or there's a vote in the commons about some kind of action or intervention, he's limited in scope.

But y'know, Dave innit.

 

[Thomasc]

And what do you think is of greater importance: giving the Palestinians a chance to live or for him to get bad press off the Tory media?

He’s not even PM, this is Sunak you should be levelling this at.

 

[davek]

What power does he have to affect the lives of Palestinians?

That's a spurious argument.

What power does he have to reduce global warming...he still has a green agenda.

It's all about setting out your values. His values on this conflict is that Israel should be able to add to the 6,000 people they've murdered so far with just a momentary pause to get a few aid trucks in to hand to people before they are attacked by 340,000 invading soldiers who'll look to kill them.

Your defence of the Manchurian Candidate is appalling. Aren't you supposed to be 'liberal'?

 

[davek]

He’s not even PM, this is Sunak you should be levelling this at.

I level it at all the UK political class apart from the SNP who to their credit have asked for a ceasefire.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

That's a spurious argument.

What power does he have to reduce global warming...he still has a green agenda.

It's all about setting out your values. His values on this conflict is that Israel should be able to add to the 6,000 people they've murdered so far with just a momentary pause to get a few aid trucks in to hand to people before they are attacked by 340,000 invading soldiers who'll look to kill them.

Your defence of the Manchurian Candidate is appalling. Aren't you supposed to be 'liberal'?

You said his words would "give Palestinians the chance to live". They wouldn't as he has no power. He has a green agenda for when he's in office. Level your argument at those who can do things right now, not in 12 months time.

 

[Thomasc]

That's a spurious argument.

What power does he have to reduce global warming...he still has a green agenda.

It's all about setting out your values. His values on this conflict is that Israel should be able to add to the 6,000 people they've murdered so far with just a momentary pause to get a few aid trucks in to hand to people before they are attacked by 340,000 invading soldiers who'll look to kill them.

Your defence of the Manchurian Candidate is appalling. Aren't you supposed to be 'liberal'?

But as pointed out, he will be attacked from one side whatever he does.

Even suggesting a ceasefire will open up the floodgates of anti semitism again, you know this though and you should acknowledge it.

I’m sure his view’s behind closed doors are the same as mine and yours. He’s not actually going to achieve anything though by saying it in public, apart from damaging his party again.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

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