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Bruce Wayne said:
The thing is, there hasn't been a government that has been sufficiently left wing for you guys for probably 50 years, which you would think would tell you the electoral mandate for anything but a middle of the road party, and yet it doesn't seem to sink in. You fellas are to Labour what UKIP goons are to the Tories.

The UKIPers took over the Tories because the lightening rod of Brexit drove out the moderate wing of the party. That's not the norm, and there's no sign of a similarly epochal event on the horizon for the Labour left to hitch themselves onto.
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They are deluged,
that path is the road to defeat been proved in 3 GE.
I an not going to get what I want so go with the best option on offer to get the Tories out.
There isn't a way into power for a truly left wing party to get into power in the UK .
It's a pipe dream, and hasn't got the support anywhere outside of the Web and university's.
Wish there was personally but there you go I will live in the real world and vote Labour.
The left wing faction ( if thats the right Label)are doing the tories dirty work for them undermining the current Labour party.
No time for them at all at the moment.
 
Charro said:
Yet, I voted for Starmer to become leader as I was happy for labour to move towards the middle ground.

There still needs to be a strong left wing voice in the labour party and we should continue to challenge the party whilst we aren't heard.

You have a daily mail perception of people who are left wing.

You continue to vote for a party who's sole purpose has been to prop up the tories though.
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I haven't given any thought as to who I'll vote for next year tbh. I've had quite a lot of other things on my mind. My borough is usually a toss up between Labour and LD but I couldn't really tell you what my local MP has done, either locally or nationally. If it helps to get the Tories out I'll probably vote Labour.
 
Eggs said:
….I’m sure he said he was misquoted and corrected that statement a week or so ago, i’ve heard him calling for water to be restored and aid delivered. i think he’s handling it very well.

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No, he wasn't misquoted. He said it live on LBC.
 
edge said:
They are deluged,
that path is the road to defeat been proved in 3 GE.
I an not going to get what I want so go with the best option on offer to get the Tories out.
There isn't a way into power for a truly left wing party to get into power in the UK .
It's a pipe dream, and hasn't got the support anywhere outside of the Web and university's.
Wish there was personally but there you go I will live in the real world and vote Labour.
The left wing faction ( if thats the right Label)are doing the tories dirty work for them undermining the current Labour party.
No time for them at all at the moment.
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Basically Corbyn's domestic policies were a watered down version of what old LP manifestos were in the post war period.
 
davek said:
Basically Corbyn's domestic policies were a watered down version of what old LP manifestos were in the post war period.
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And produced awful election result , agaist a tory party that was split and should have been easy pickings.
Myself I would have a more socialist agenda, nationalisation ect in a heartbeat, but I wouldn't get voted in either
So I am getting behind a labour party that can win an election.
It's a different world than after the war it was us agaist the bosses.
Now the lines are so blurd, what is working class, middle class anymore?
Where do the so called underclass fit in?
Why do people continue to vote for governments that are basically run for and by big businesses rather than for the people of this country.
What as car worker in the Midlands got in common with the millionaires they vote for?
Very complex these days it was easier , when it was us agaist them.
 
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edge said:
And produced awful election result , agaist a tory party that was split and should have been easy pickings.
Myself I would have a more socialist agenda, nationalisation ect in a heartbeat, but I wouldn't get voted in either
So I am getting behind a labour party that can win an election.
It's a different world than after the war it was us agaist the bosses.
Now the lines are so blurd, what is working class, middle class anymore?
Where do the so called underclass fit in?
Why do people continue to vote for governments that are basically run for and by big businesses rather than for the people of this country.
What as car worker in the Midlands got in common with the millionaires they vote for?
Very complex these days it was easier , when it was us agaist them.
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The line is where it always has been: between those who create profits for others and those who put others to work for them to create profit.

But my point is that the Corbyn policies are portrayed as 'utopian' when they were merely some of the policies Labour have always fought on (and won office): nationalisation, funding the NHS, protecting the welfare state, encouraging new industries rather than encouraging parasitical sectors like the City of London etc.
 
It's easy to say "fund the NHS" isn't it? It's pretty much the only government department that has seen any meaningful change in its budget, and even before Covid, it had doubled since 1998, yet its still in a state. It seems pretty obvious that we need a grown up conversation about just what we expect the NHS to be.

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Another day, another broken promise...

www.theguardian.com

Labour U-turns on promise of Scottish-style right to roam in England

Exclusive: Party says it will find other ways to create more access to countryside after opposition from landowners
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The previous shadow environment team, led by Jim McMahon, the MP for Oldham West and Royton, had committed to a Scottish-style right to roam, where there would be an assumed right for English people to walk around the countryside.

The former shadow nature minister Alex Sobel, the MP for Leeds North West, told parliament earlier this year: “Labour’s approach, like in Scotland, will be that Labour’s right to roam will offer access to high-quality green and blue space in the rest of Britain. We will replace the default of exclusion with a default of access.

This idea was criticised by rural campaign groups including the National Farmers’ Union. Tim Bonner, chief executive of the Countryside Alliance, hinted that rural voters would not vote Labour if they implemented a right to roam policy, referring to it as an “attack on the countryside”.

Labour sources told the Guardian this approach had now changed, and that instead they were working with rural groups to find ways to increase access without giving a widespread right to roam.
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Blue 1 said:
I'm a rural voter and I honestly hate the Countryside Alliance so much.
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Everyone should. But Starmer and his lot are that desperate to pacify anyone to get their vote they'll water EVERYTHING down.

People who believe that party's promises on industrial relations, the NHS, welfare, housing etc etc are a reflection of what will happen better be aware of the sell outs to come.

As I've said for ages: 12 months into a Starmer government and those people voting for him will utterly despise the Manchurian Candidate.
 
davek said:
Everyone should. But Starmer and his lot are that desperate to pacify anyone to get their vote they'll water EVERYTHING down.

People who believe that party's promises on industrial relations, the NHS, welfare, housing etc etc are a reflection of what will happen better be aware of the sell outs to come.

As I've said for ages: 12 months into a Starmer government and those people voting for him will utterly despise the Manchurian Candidate.
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🥱 agenda...
 
Still won't call for a ceasefire, Starmer. Just a 'pause' for aid to get in.

Israel has to have its chance to 'defend itself' first...AKA a ground offensive killing potentially tens of thousands of people.
 
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