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[Aberblue]

The truth is that whoever wins the next election will face a daunting task, since the state's finances are more or less in ruins thanks to a combination of Brexit and Tory incompetence/corruption.

 

[Blue 1]

And we never had it so good as we did under Blair.

What public services and our wee pockets would give to have had new labour in charge this past decade.

Wasn't sustainable though, was it? They did a hell of a lot wrong, too.

It's easy to look at New Labour through rose-tinted spectacles, they were becoming horribly authoritarian in their latter days, and PFI and Iraq are indelible stains on their legacy. Blair lost the plot towards the end of his time in #10.

Sure, I'd have taken them over the shiteshow of the last 13 years though, no brainer.

 

[sbbefc]

….they will rightly have a centre left manifesto and will concentrate 5 years on righting public services. There won’t be a lurch to the left because Starmer knows that will mean he remains for one term only.

Saying that, nationalising British Rail and utility companies in the 2nd term could resonate with centrists. The Labour Party needs to carry Tory voters with them and winning seats off SNP will be a real dependency to winning a majority.

I wouldn't say they're centre left at the moment.

 

[Eggs]

I wouldn't say they're centre left at the moment.

….moot point. Conservatives want smaller Government, Labour want to invest in public services. I’d say they are centre left.

 

[coollino]

….moot point. Conservatives want smaller Government, Labour want to invest in public services. I’d say they are centre left.

That should just be a basic policy though, which obviously has been ripped apart in the last 13 years but still

 

[Walken]

….they will rightly have a centre left manifesto and will concentrate 5 years on righting public services. There won’t be a lurch to the left because Starmer knows that will mean he remains for one term only.

Saying that, nationalising British Rail and utility companies in the 2nd term could resonate with centrists. The Labour Party needs to carry Tory voters with them and winning seats off SNP will be a real dependency to winning a majority.

Most left wing policies are etremely popular, if many could be instigated without the headline image of them being left wing then they could be very successful. It's unfortunate that these things have to be considered but the media and governments leap to the far right means a difficult balancing act publicly

 

[Eggs]

The blinkers are off for me mate. I'm trying to help others see further down the road to what a 'Labour' government under Starmer looks like. He isn't telling any lies when he says there'll be no big changes in public spending, he;s not telling any lies in saying the rich won't be taxed more, he's not telling any lies when he says that local authorities will be opened up more for tenders from the private sector...or the NHS further opened up to the private sector.

Wake up, this is not a sea change. Yes, it might be nice to see the Tories taking a beating, but after that comes more of the same politics of despair.

….poor Dave’s world is falling apart.

Lets hope Patterson has a stormer tomorrow

 

[Tramps_mate]

The appallingly low turnout in these by elections does leave a big query about the significance of the results.
2/3 of the electorate seem to have abandoned politics.

I tell my missus and kids, they MUST vote. Whoever they fancy if they have no idea but they must use their opportunity to vote! Otherwise they may as well live in North Korea..

 

[Rita_Poon]

Ladies and Gentlemen, CLASSIC NOSTRADAVEK!

Fixed as well. I'd put a tenner on that folks

+ lol +

 

[davek]

Isn't that due to turnout? Their vote share.went up...by elections are always weird anyway

Yes. My point is that people are deserting the Tories in swathes but there's not a desire to flock to Starmer's party.

They are uninspiring. There's no question about that. Its a case now of anyone but the Tories.

 

[davek]

After 13 years of Tory’s decimating public services I’ve far more confidence in a Labour govt trying to correct that, but the state they are going to leave the country in means that it’s a long term job and that needs to be remembered.

So sure, I get that there is not going to be any overnight fix, I’m grown up enough to realise that’s not possible.

I’m a firm believer and hopeful that Starmer is saying the things he needs to in order to convince the public to make the change. Once in, let’s see how and what they do.

With respect: that's fantasy.

He's handed assurances to corporate Britain there'll be no such changes. That's how the media are soft peddling on him and his party.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Yes. My point is that people are deserting the Tories in swathes but there's not a desire to flock to Starmer's party.

They are uninspiring. There's no question about that. Its a case now of anyone but the Tories.

weren't you calling labour the new tories? make yer mind up will yer!

 

[davek]

Obviously, but they've gotta be a better option right now than those in power currently!

They can make matters worse too. I actually think they will...and they'll sicken people on Labour for a few generations to come.

Austerity with a smiling face and a bit of handwringing.

 

[Rita_Poon]

They can make matters worse

How?

 

[davek]

….poor Dave’s world is falling apart.

Lets hope Patterson has a stormer tomorrow

One thing we can count on: Patterson won't be anywhere near a game tomorrow apart from warming a bench.