How can they fail? I thought no one really knew what they stood for?
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davek
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They'll fail alright, but then they'll be replaced by another leadership who'll draw the conclusion that they haven;t been 'centrist' enough.
Corbyn's election to the leadership was a black swan moment.
The rank and file of the LP really need to wake up and sever their ties with it.
can see them being a fairly weak government with no real identity or set agenda. Then the tories get rid of most their front bench and rebrand a bit, and they’ll take over again in 4 years.
tsubaki
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It matters not what they stand for Bruce, they’re no good at anything - especially politics.
How do we know? I'd say after Brexit, Covid, and Ukraine the country would be quite happy with quiet competence. Indeed, the Tories in that time have done bugger all of note on health, education, the economy, but they have been tainted by sleaze and incompetence, while they've dragged the standards of parliament through the mud. If Labour could make parliament more honest and accountable again while showing generally competent governance then that would be a huge improvement IMO. I'm not sure the country wants another revolution given the huge changes already undertaken in the last 10 years.
Just to bring some balance here, to say there’s no difference between the parties is incorrect.
Would the Tory Party be committing to implementing an employment rights bill in the first 100 days of a new parliament? A policy which Mick Lynch and the TUC are backing. Or repealing the recent anti-trade union laws introduced by the Tories? Or scrapping the Rwanda asylum policy?
We can say that this isn’t bold enough, and doesn’t go far enough, and I might even agree, but one step in the right direction is better than ten in the wrong direction.
Would the Tory Party be committing to implementing an employment rights bill in the first 100 days of a new parliament? A policy which Mick Lynch and the TUC are backing. Or repealing the recent anti-trade union laws introduced by the Tories? Or scrapping the Rwanda asylum policy?
We can say that this isn’t bold enough, and doesn’t go far enough, and I might even agree, but one step in the right direction is better than ten in the wrong direction.
NilSatisOptimum
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D'oh!
I don’t entirely disagree but it feels like anyone with even slightly left wing views is being asked to compromise and accommodate their vote whereas majority of people from the right have pretty much exactly what they want from a party.
For how long can this continue? I’d argue it’s not sustainable and a future labour government won’t be able to stay in power for very long on account of ‘not being tories’
NilSatisOptimum
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Starmers immigration policy is to actually co-operate with our Europe neighbours on immigration, actually do our fair share of accepting legal immigrants and to properly wage war on trafficers not its victims, to make them the trafficers on a par with terrorists, to actually stop the boats. I feel we are on track to have 'serious people' running the country within a year, and it's clear Starmer is seen as a serious PM in waiting as he meets with various foreign leaders whilst Sunak remains inaction man!
Of course the right wing press from the tory loons to left wing stooges and talking heads will trash all this, but finally a serious idea from serious politicians!
Of course the right wing press from the tory loons to left wing stooges and talking heads will trash all this, but finally a serious idea from serious politicians!
I get this, but think I just have a different framing.
Voting in elections is almost always about picking the least worst option. Rarely is a political party going to align very well with an individuals ideological preference. Voter turnout tells you that much.
As it stands, Labour could run on a manifesto identical to the tories, and you could still make a case to vote for them, as the Tories have demonstrated themselves to govern with massive levels of corruption and incompetence.
But as per my above post there are tangible differences which will have real world impacts.
tsubaki
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There’s nothing serious about this proposal.
“Treat people smugglers as terrorists”? Really? For a start it devalues the whole idea of terrorism being a uniquely bad criminal endeavour. Secondly, it smacks of widening the remit of existing organisations ((like the Security Services and anti terrorist police) and making them do this, which will inevitably mean less money and resources for actual terrorism and other hostile state threats.
If he was serious, he’d have committed Labour to do the two things that would help end this crisis - establishing legal migration routes that people can actually used and which are appropriately managed when they get here, and establishing policy and procedures for dealing with and removing people who cheat the system or commit crimes whilst they are here.
mightymoyes
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this is because democracy and capitalism are basically incompatible
I think it’s more to do with party politics being systems of compromise.
mightymoyes
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compromise on what is actually of benefit for the people in favour of a corporations profits
That may the case, but I’m not saying the system is the right one. I’m just describing the reality of it.
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