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[Bruce Wayne]

It's like Dennis Skinner becoming leader and pretending he was like Bill Clinton.

 

[davek]

lol Dave, one of the reasons the Labour Party is not the same as it was 50+yrs ago, is, strange as it may seem is - it's a different world 50+yrs on.
We still need a counterweight to the Tories, but not Dinosaur hard left Corbynism which - as proved by election results  And the fact they got rid of him.

As to becoming filthy rich. I 'clocked In' and worked with my hands and brain for 45yrs...I lived and voted in Huyton for Wilson.
I'm not filthy rich, and I'm not existing by eating cat food either - but you can colour me slightly dusty if you like.

Wilson was right wing Labour back then, but he's like Trotsky compared to Stamer.

Starmer and his front bech gangsters would have expelled both Wilson and Blair for their views on taxation alone.

 

[davek]

Bonkers stuff. It was mentioned earlier that since Brexit the Tories have become like UKIP were, which is undoubtedly true, but there seems a reluctance to accept that under Corbyn Labour had a similar shift to the left, when he has spent his entire career being the left version of Farage.

Similar shift to the left? Good Lord. If there had been there'd have been deselections that put the right wing in the LP to bed for a generation.

Corbyn played by the right wing party rules and paid for it.

I bet he regrets that bitterly now...then again he's a potty trained parliamentarian and wouldn't have rocked the boat in any case probably.

 

[spectateur]

it doesn't matter if he was or he wasn't, people perceived him to be hard left and so he was never going to win.

Thanks to constant propoganda from the hard right Tory press.

 

[degsy]

Wilson was right wing Labour back then, but he's like Trotsky compared to Stamer.

Starmer and his front bech gangsters would have expelled both Wilson and Blair for their views on taxation alone.

Left; soft or hard or Right; soft or hard, it all depends where you're standing when you look...and when.
The world has moved on - just look around

"Girls will be boys and boys will be girls
It's a mixed up muddled up, shook up world
Except for Lola,"

 

[mightymoyes]

Are you saying Corbyn wasn't far left? To try and paint him as some moderate left candidate is just wrong.

i would consider his personal politics probably left wing (not far left) but his manifesto for govt was mild social democracy which wouldn't have looked out of place somewhere like Norway

 

[mightymoyes]

Thanks to constant propoganda from the hard right Tory press.

and the tories that infiltrated labour

 

[tsubaki]

Come now. Corbyn regularly contributes to Morning Star, which last time I checked was created by the Communist Party. His Head of Strategy was a long-time advocate of communism (as indeed was Corbyn himself). McDonnell likewise was quite open about his communist leanings, and the Corbyn regime had ardent support from the likes of Andrew Murray and the Communist Party itself.

This marked a significant change for the party, which had always opposed communism and through the Attlee administration helped to create NATO in direct response to the communism in the USSR. To portray Corbyn as the true face of Labour is utterly absurd. He was the far left wing of the party.

You’ve left out that he was a Labour MP for decades, as was McDonnell. Seamus Milne was a senior journalist at the Guardian.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You’ve left out that he was a Labour MP for decades, as was McDonnell. Seamus Milne was a senior journalist at the Guardian.

Milne also had a shift at The Economist, but that doesn't make him a liberal. Would you have regarded someone like Skinner as toward the left of the party? Where would you have placed Corbyn in relation to him?

 

[tsubaki]

Milne also had a shift at The Economist, but that doesn't make him a liberal. Would you have regarded someone like Skinner as toward the left of the party? Where would you have placed Corbyn in relation to him?

To the left of Skinner, but that doesn’t make him hard, far, extreme or whatever scary word you want to put before “left”.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

To the left of Skinner, but that doesn’t make him hard, far, extreme or whatever scary word you want to put before “left”.

That's kind of my point, because I suspect the majority would regard Skinner as very much to the left of the party.

 

[tsubaki]

That's kind of my point, because I suspect the majority would regard Skinner as very much to the left of the party.

That assumes Labour occupy all of the left wing political spectrum though. They don’t.

 

[davek]

Starmer walking round Brussels in a pair of adidas Gazelle.

He's soooo casual.

 

[Eggs]

Starmer walking round Brussels in a pair of adidas Gazelle.

He's soooo casual.

 

[Rita_Poon]

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