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[JimmyJeffers]

Some selected quotes from a truly awful piece by Kuenssburg.

Laura Kuenssberg: Labour - damned if they dare, damned if they don't?

When Keir Starmer unveils a policy it is roundly attacked - is this the price of getting a hearing?

www.bbc.com

This week though, and this weekend at a left wing love-in in Canada with like minded leaders,


Say too much? The plans can be shredded (or nabbed!) by opponents, or cause grumbles closer to home.
Say as little as humanly possible, and face accusations that you stand for nothing, and have no ideas of your own.


The thing Labour is most afraid of is not winning or losing any specific argument, but failing to win the country, and losing again.

lol

 

[davek]

Some selected quotes from a truly awful piece by Kuenssburg.

Laura Kuenssberg: Labour - damned if they dare, damned if they don't?

When Keir Starmer unveils a policy it is roundly attacked - is this the price of getting a hearing?

www.bbc.com

This week though, and this weekend at a left wing love-in in Canada with like minded leaders,


Say too much? The plans can be shredded (or nabbed!) by opponents, or cause grumbles closer to home.
Say as little as humanly possible, and face accusations that you stand for nothing, and have no ideas of your own.


The thing Labour is most afraid of is not winning or losing any specific argument, but failing to win the country, and losing again.

lol

"Left wing?" Trudeau, Arden and Starmer.

Yeah, they'll defo keep the red flag flying that lot.

 

[davek]

Starmer is really determined to score an own goal with this EU business.

The Tories will be lapping that up.

Labour wants new EU links in a reset of British foreign policy

Ties with Europe are a top priority, says shadow foreign secretary David Lammy, as he calls for Britain to play a lead role in world affairs

www.theguardian.com

 

[Number_25]

Starmer is really determined to score an own goal with this EU business.

The Tories will be lapping that up.

Labour wants new EU links in a reset of British foreign policy

Ties with Europe are a top priority, says shadow foreign secretary David Lammy, as he calls for Britain to play a lead role in world affairs

www.theguardian.com

We've no alternative.

 

[davek]

We've no alternative.

That's no excuse to vote for one of three neo-liberal parties.

The Greens should be running a candidate in your constituency.

 

[Drico]

Starmer is really determined to score an own goal with this EU business.

The Tories will be lapping that up.

Labour wants new EU links in a reset of British foreign policy

Ties with Europe are a top priority, says shadow foreign secretary David Lammy, as he calls for Britain to play a lead role in world affairs

www.theguardian.com

Starmer can have lots of new links with us. He's deluded if he thinks we're renegotiating Brexit in 2025, though. When we are sure the UK can be trusted to implement what has already been agreed, then we might be more amenable to something more mutually beneficial.

 

[davek]

Starmer can have lots of new links with us. He's deluded if he thinks we're renegotiating Brexit in 2025, though. When we are sure the UK can be trusted to implement what has already been agreed, then we might be more amenable to something more mutually beneficial.

He's going full steam ahead with the 'better Brexit deal' stuff now.

I cant help feel that'll backfire badly on him in particular as the Tories will remind the voters how Starmer was THE leader of Remain in the LP.

That's politics with a tin ear.

Labour will seek major rewrite of Brexit deal, Keir Starmer pledges

Party leader says he will pursue a closer trading relationship with the EU and much better terms for the UK than Boris Johnson managed

www.theguardian.com

 

[JimmyJeffers]

He's going full steam ahead with the 'better Brexit deal' stuff now.

I cant help feel that'll backfire badly on him in particular as the Tories will remind the voters how Starmer was THE leader of Remain in the LP.

That's politics with a tin ear.

Labour will seek major rewrite of Brexit deal, Keir Starmer pledges

Party leader says he will pursue a closer trading relationship with the EU and much better terms for the UK than Boris Johnson managed

www.theguardian.com

True but at least they have actually addressed and spoken about the issue instead of pretending nothing happened. If they lose votes because of it then so be it.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Labour don't stand for anyfink that's different to the Tories

How dare Labour stand for somefink different to the Tories. Mad politics that.

 

[tsubaki]

Starmer can have lots of new links with us. He's deluded if he thinks we're renegotiating Brexit in 2025, though. When we are sure the UK can be trusted to implement what has already been agreed, then we might be more amenable to something more mutually beneficial.

He knows that, its probably a cover for going back in. One imagines there will be (after a big enough Labour win), some sort of talks at which not much is proposed but an offer is made for the UK to rejoin. Starmer reluctantly accepts and wins the referendum 55-45, and we slink back in embarrassed.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Labour don't stand for anyfink that's different to the Tories

How dare Labour stand for somefink different to the Tories. Mad politics that.

Surprised he’s even mentioned it to be honest. Must have calculated the time was right. Can’t imagine it doing much harm as he was probably the most prominent pro Europe face of the opposition at the time.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Surprised he’s even mentioned it to be honest. Must have calculated the time was right. Can’t imagine it doing much harm as he was probably the most prominent pro Europe face of the opposition at the time.

It's lost him Dave's vote.

 

[Drico]

He knows that, its probably a cover for going back in. One imagines there will be (after a big enough Labour win), some sort of talks at which not much is proposed but an offer is made for the UK to rejoin. Starmer reluctantly accepts and wins the referendum 55-45, and we slink back in embarrassed.

You're overestimating your attraction to us in the EU. Don't get me wrong. I, and many Europeans, feel it was a disaster that the UK voted to leave. It was hugely destabilising for the EU and utterly ruinous for the UK. But there will be no invitation to rejoin just because Starmer and Labour wins and certainly not if there's anything less than a guaranted 60% in favour no matter the circumstances. We will need to see a consistent and sustainable pro-EU majority across the UK - especially in England - before we make eyes at you again. In fact, it's you who are going to have to be making the eyes. Essentially, England has to make its mind up once and for all so that it doesn't rush headlong into a nasty affair as soon as the next Farage comes along whispering sweet nothings.

I'd love the UK to return - and I think it's a tragedy that pro-European people in the UK have been shafted like this. We are unquestionably better together. But we won't risk the hokey-cokey on English whims. England is really not all that important in a pan-European context and it needs to stop having conversations with itself as if nobody else matters. Oh, and I'm not sure you're going to like the terms of any return. It's very likely that the EU that you attempt to rejoin will be very different to the one you left. We're no longer offering rebates and special treatment. So you might not like the new terms. For these reasons, I think you'll need an overwhelming pro-EU electorate to swallow your new reality, because Farage, Cameron, Johnson and the gammons have blown all your former dispensations off the table forever.

 

[Drico]

He's going full steam ahead with the 'better Brexit deal' stuff now.

I cant help feel that'll backfire badly on him in particular as the Tories will remind the voters how Starmer was THE leader of Remain in the LP.

That's politics with a tin ear.

Labour will seek major rewrite of Brexit deal, Keir Starmer pledges

Party leader says he will pursue a closer trading relationship with the EU and much better terms for the UK than Boris Johnson managed

www.theguardian.com

He's also utterly missing the point: the EU has no interest in renegotiating a better Brexit right now. That's all been done, and we've been driven to distraction dealing with Tory imbeciles getting even this far. There is zero appetite for any more dealing. We're happy enough we've got a workable deal, so now the UK needs to make it work.

Of course, the EU will, generally, be very welcoming of Starmer and Labour: a huge improvement over the clown show that we had to deal with since 2010. We'd be delighted to have closer relations. But we won't be investing any more effort in the UK only to find Starmer ejected at the next election and Boris Johnson and his ilk back in power ripping everything up again and breaking international law once more. The UK has a very long road to travel. Its reputation in Europe is on the floor. There is no trust.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You're overestimating your attraction to us in the EU. Don't get me wrong. I, and many Europeans, feel it was a disaster that the UK voted to leave. It was hugely destabilising for the EU and utterly ruinous for the UK. But there will be no invitation to rejoin just because Starmer and Labour wins and certainly not if there's anything less than a guaranted 60% in favour no matter the circumstances. We will need to see a consistent and sustainable pro-EU majority across the UK - especially in England - before we make eyes at you again. In fact, it's you who are going to have to be making the eyes. Essentially, England has to make its mind up once and for all so that it doesn't rush headlong into a nasty affair as soon as the next Farage comes along whispering sweet nothings.

I'd love the UK to return - and I think it's a tragedy that pro-European people in the UK have been shafted like this. We are unquestionably better together. But we won't risk the hokey-cokey on English whims. England is really not all that important in a pan-European context and it needs to stop having conversations with itself as if nobody else matters. Oh, and I'm not sure you're going to like the terms of any return. It's very likely that the EU that you attempt to rejoin will be very different to the one you left. We're no longer offering rebates and special treatment. So you might not like the new terms. For these reasons, I think you'll need an overwhelming pro-EU electorate to swallow your new reality, because Farage, Cameron, Johnson and the gammons have blown all your former dispensations off the table forever.

I was signing up for an EU event I'd been invited to last week. A slightly awkward moment ensued when "UK" wasn't an option in the required "nationality" field. After raising the point they somewhat over compensated by putting every country imaginable on the list. I'm not sure some of them were actual countries.