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Yes, I too remember that rabid Marxist Ed Milliband. Anyway :

How it started :

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How it's going :

 
Marxists to the left of me, fascists to the right, here I am stuck in the middle without EU
Holding back the boats
Thinking of the fear I've sewn so long
When somebody fears
Listen to the sense that's gone
Strangled by the wishes of pater
Hoping for the arms of mater
Get to me the sooner or later, oh
 
I don’t understand why they make their messaging so complicated.

We are on the side of working people. We will always do everything in our power to make your life as successful as possible.

If you have retired or are unable to work, we will look after you.

If you are sick, we will care for you.

Then fulfil that promise.

The end.

The complicated way they go about saying it, only confuses people and blurs the distinction between Labour and the cult.
 
I don’t understand why they make their messaging so complicated.

We are on the side of working people. We will always do everything in our power to make your life as successful as possible.

If you have retired or are unable to work, we will look after you.

If you are sick, we will care for you.

Then fulfil that promise.

The end.

The complicated way they go about saying it, only confuses people and blurs the distinction between Labour and the cult.

It is because the people in charge of the party now are absolutely terrible at the sort of politics which delivers long term success or improvement, but who think they are great at political advertising. That sort are of course in charge of all major parties, and infest most of the political press too.

They really, genuinely think that simple messaging of the kind you describe - never mind actually delivering on what they promise - is foolish. Doing that fixes opinions (of the public), creates a record of what they said and creates something that a politician can be measured against (invariably negatively because the likes of them never achieve what they promise because they are incapable of delivering it).

One of the most genuine reactions they had against Corbyn was precisely because he was someone who did that - as (I think) Stephen Bush said, Corbyn's mind was like a filing cabinet; ask him a question on the Kurds, on CND or on football and he'd give the same answer to whoever he happened to be speaking to (or whenever he was asked it). They think you can't "sell" a politician like that as people will either like it or hate it.

What is better, according to them, is to establish an undefined thing - "Brexit" for example - and then advertise it as being something "good" or "bad", but never something that was so defined that the definition could be checked against. It does work, sadly, in the short term but as with advertising itself these things only last in the medium or long term if people actually like them and choose to keep consuming it.

This is one reason why I think Sunak running the country relatively competently is the biggest threat to Labour, and conversely why Sunak running the country competently is a big political threat to Sunak himself - it is an absolute anathema to our political class. People (in politics and without) might even question why we have these people in positions of power over us.
 
The problem with this analysis is that the more parties you have the less accountable they (and the government) are - politicians and those who want to be politicians are more beholden to the party than the electorate.

What I think we need is much more localism in our politics - no money for a campaign should come from outside a constituency; candidates should either be from or have very strong ties to the constituency that they are standing in and candidate selection should be entirely local.
Perhaps the best post I've ever read on here.
 
To @Prevenger17 , the true believer.

RACHEL REEVES FLIES BUSINESS CLASS PHOTOSHOPS PICTURE OF HERSELF TO COVER UP SEAT NUMBER

Is this the archetypal new woman of the people (will be the next UK chancellor): An £8,000 flight to the US. I wonder if she's expecting the taxpayer to fund that for her in future in her role? Or is it actually worse that an anonymous donor paid for it? One can only assume whoever he or she is thinks they're getting a much better pay off in return for it ... A brave new future


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Eagle-eyed viewers immediately noticed that in the Photoshopped picture her ticket says she was sat in the window seat 3K. On this British Airways aircraft that happens to be in the swanky “Club World business cabin”, which was formerly known as “First Class” section, right at the front. It’s a long-haul flight, so Club World high flyers are treated to “a spacious seat, which converts into a fully flat bed“.

REEVES’ LUXURY FLIGHT OFFERED CHOICE OF CHAMPAGNES TO ‘RESTORE ECONOMIC DIGNITY’
 
£8k, amateur. liz the lettuce truss wipes the floor with her on her private booked flight to Aus to cut a deal worth less than the soiled andrex it was written on.
The whataboutery is strong with this one...
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To @Prevenger17 , the true believer.

RACHEL REEVES FLIES BUSINESS CLASS PHOTOSHOPS PICTURE OF HERSELF TO COVER UP SEAT NUMBER

Is this the archetypal new woman of the people (will be the next UK chancellor): An £8,000 flight to the US. I wonder if she's expecting the taxpayer to fund that for her in future in her role? Or is it actually worse that an anonymous donor paid for it? One can only assume whoever he or she is thinks they're getting a much better pay off in return for it ... A brave new future


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REEVES’ LUXURY FLIGHT OFFERED CHOICE OF CHAMPAGNES TO ‘RESTORE ECONOMIC DIGNITY’

Nobody on here thinks she’s the woman of the people.

Most don’t like her.

She’s horrible.
 
To @Prevenger17 , the true believer.

RACHEL REEVES FLIES BUSINESS CLASS PHOTOSHOPS PICTURE OF HERSELF TO COVER UP SEAT NUMBER

Is this the archetypal new woman of the people (will be the next UK chancellor): An £8,000 flight to the US. I wonder if she's expecting the taxpayer to fund that for her in future in her role? Or is it actually worse that an anonymous donor paid for it? One can only assume whoever he or she is thinks they're getting a much better pay off in return for it ... A brave new future


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REEVES’ LUXURY FLIGHT OFFERED CHOICE OF CHAMPAGNES TO ‘RESTORE ECONOMIC DIGNITY’




Eh wha? A couple of things..

  • I'm not British
  • I have no idea who this woman is
  • Were you meant to tag someone else?
  • Are you a simpleton who thought this would mean something to me?
 
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