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Starmer kicked off the election campaing today, Offering further devolution so its shoe in, the quicker we move away from centralized power the better. And sounds like he and front bench have been reading "The social distance between us" , by Darren Mcgarvey. There are too many "small conservatives" even on the left, mover over basically.

 
Labour should explain in graphic terms why Brexit is a disaster for this country and have the courage to make a second referendum a part of their manifesto.
 
Labour should explain in graphic terms why Brexit is a disaster for this country and have the courage to make a second referendum a part of their manifesto.

And blow the best chance of power for over a decade? They would basically be saying the British population are thick, and thousands of their traditional supporters were duped.

I mean, I agree with that, but there are way more issues they can address. "A plan for life outside the EU" would be a start, for example. Because its crystal clear that there has been zippo for 6 years.
 
And blow the best chance of power for over a decade? They would basically be saying the British population are thick, and thousands of their traditional supporters were duped.

I mean, I agree with that, but there are way more issues they can address. "A plan for life outside the EU" would be a start, for example. Because its crystal clear that there has been zippo for 6 years.
This was a decent explanation of a possible path should Labour win the next election


The path to a smoother relationship between Britain and the bloc does exist. It involves first normalising relations, then exploiting the tca to the full, and then bulking it out with new provisions. A new and deeper form of integration would be a final step. But the route is strewn with obstacles—and not just because of the recalcitrance of Brexiteers in Britain.
The solipsism that the relationship is largely a matter of British choices persists in Westminster. But no one in Brussels is itching to reopen a divorce that has already swallowed too much of their time. “There will not be political traction in the eu to change the relationship, until there is something quite clear coming from London,” says Nathalie Loiseau, an eu lawmaker and an ally of President Emmanuel Macron of France. Since Britain is the smaller market, eu business lobbies have far fewer gripes with the tca than British ones. “For us, success means no longer talking about Brexit,” says an eu diplomat.
The good news is that a normalisation is under way. Mr Johnson is out of office. Rishi Sunak promises a “respectful, mature” relationship. A flurry of modest initiatives points to a thaw. During her brief tenure, Liz Truss signed up to the European Political Community, a pet project of Mr Macron’s. Britain has joined a scheme to rapidly move military kit across borders and volunteered to help police the eu’s southern border against migrants. In December Britain joined an eu programme to build wind farms and electricity interconnectors in the North Sea. For British officials, this is a taste of the near-term future: not yet touching the tca, but overlaying agreements in areas of common interest.

Whether this is a false dawn depends largely on Northern Ireland. No sooner had the tca been signed than Mr Johnson began unpicking the withdrawal treaty that preceded it, and specifically the protocol which in effect keeps the province in the eu’s single market for goods. The protocol means that there are no border controls on the island of Ireland, in an effort to prevent sectarian conflict, but it created a customs and regulatory border in the Irish Sea instead. That infuriates both (pro-British) unionists in Northern Ireland—the largest unionist party withdrew from devolved government in 2022 in protest—and Brexiteers on the mainland.

Mr Johnson and Ms Truss left behind a ticking bomb, in the form of a bill currently before Parliament that would allow ministers to unilaterally discard bits of the protocol. In response the eu has frozen chunks of the deal provisionally agreed with Mr Johnson. They include participation in Horizon, a vast scientific-research programme, and Copernicus, a space-satellites programme, as well as co-operation deals between regulators in competition policy and financial services.

Mr Sunak has promised a resolution to the row over the protocol in time for the 25th anniversary of the Good Friday peace agreement, which falls in April. “It’s like having something in your eye,” says a British official. “You can’t focus on anything else.” The European Commission is ready to “de-dramatise” the existing checks on goods crossing the Irish Sea, through shared customs data and whittling away at the paperwork. But it refuses to make the big structural changes to the protocol that many Conservative mps want, including gutting the role of the European Court of Justice. As so often, a Tory backbench rebellion could shatter a fragile deal.

Mr Sunak’s wider choices on regulatory policy pose a further risk of conflict. The prime minister says that he wants to take advantage of Brexit by fine-tuning the rule book in a few high-value sectors, such as financial services, artificial intelligence and life-sciences. That would be a manageable concern for the eu. But a second bomb left by Mr Johnson worries diplomats gravely: a monster bill to amend or repeal all eu law by the end of 2023. Intended to facilitate a hard and fast divergence with the bloc, it could slice through Britain’s obligations under the tca to uphold environmental and labour standards.

Things can quickly fall apart. If Britain did unilaterally override the Northern Ireland protocol, for instance, the eu would respond swiftly, possibly by suspending the trade deal and levying tariffs. Britain’s relationship with the bloc is fragile by design, reflecting the mistrust on which it was built. eu permissions for data-transfers and the clearing of derivatives will lapse in June 2025, and need to be renewed. Agreements on fisheries and electricity expire the year after. The relationship is a bicycle: stop cycling and it falls over.

But strike a deal on Northern Ireland, and avoid a new front over aggressive regulatory divergence, and relations could greatly improve. “It would be a very big symbol of mutual trust, the thing we have been missing for some years,” says Ms Loiseau. That could allow Britain to fully exploit the tca, from participation in Horizon to shaving frictions at the border. The tca is an elaborate structure. A powerful partnership council led by politicians can amend much of the deal. Beneath it sit 18 technical committees in fields such as aviation, customs and intellectual property, tasked with identifying snags and fixes. Currently, these committees “are operational, but they are not operating,” says Charles Kinnoull, chair of the European affairs committee in the House of Lords.


If normalising ties and making the most of the existing tca are the first steps to a better relationship, the next would be to widen its purview. The deal comes up for its first five-yearly review in 2026. If Mr Sunak wins the election, the veto power of the Eurosceptic Tory right would make an expanded tca nigh-on impossible. But if the Labour Party is in office by then (an election must be held by January 2025, and the polls point to a big Labour victory), that could spell a new beginning. “They’re desperate for a British government that wants to engage,” says Rachel Reeves, the shadow chancellor. “I do feel we’d be knocking at an open door if we went in with a different attitude to our future relationship.”

Up to a point. To understand the challenge ahead for a Labour government, revisit the painful birth of the tca. It is a conventional free-trade agreement, similar to the bloc’s deal with Canada. It eliminates tariffs on goods, but does little to remove regulatory barriers or to facilitate the movement of services and people. That was in part the choice of David Frost, Mr Johnson’s confrontational chief negotiator, who was fixated on a concept of British “sovereignty” that insisted all obligations under eu law were scrubbed.

But it was not Lord Frost’s choice alone. His opposite number, Michel Barnier—backed by eu governments—was also determined to prevent Britain “cherry-picking” elements of the single market. Out meant out. Principle fused with self-interest: why, Mr Barnier asked, should Europe let Britain be its hub for things like legal services? A hard Brexit suited everyone.

Sir Keir Starmer, Labour’s leader, does not plan to up-end this basic settlement. He is after a fast, off-the-peg agreement that would allow him to claim he has “made Brexit work” while avoiding the quagmire of eu negotiations that has broken previous prime ministers. To that end Labour proposes a veterinary agreement, which would allow agricultural products to be freely exported (a big bone of contention in Northern Ireland). A mobility agreement would ease the bureaucracy around short-term visits for businesses, artists and musicians; even Lord Frost now admits he was “too purist” on this point.

The party wants a security treaty with the eu, too—something British officials were wary of for fear of entangling foreign policy in the toxic politics of Brexit. In theory, all three agreements are possible. “They are not breaching anyone’s red lines; they are just things that Boris Johnson and David Frost didn’t want,” says Charles Grant of the cer.

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But they will demand extensive negotiations, and diplomats worry that Labour’s stance is fuzzy. In the case of a veterinary agreement, for example, the commission would insist that Britain stays in line with eu law (“dynamic alignment”, in the jargon). That goes far beyond the party’s promise not to cut standards.
The party’s hopes for a bolt-on agreement on certifying industrial goods, so that a product approved as fit for sale in one market is automatically certified in the other, overlook the fact that the eu refused similar requests from Lord Frost. “Even if you normalise the relationship, that won’t obliterate the economic interests the eu has to defend,” says Georg Riekeles, a member of Mr Barnier’s team. “They are going to look at the eu with puppy eyes, and the eu will take out a gun and shoot the puppy,” fears a former British official.
This worry—that a big chance to reset the relationship will be squandered—applies to the eu, too. The bloc has done too little thinking about how to embrace a Labour government that wants to move closer to Europe, says Rem Korteweg of Clingendael, a Dutch think-tank. “There is one moment to get it right, and we need to avoid a knee-jerk reaction, saying ‘Here we go again, this is cherry-picking.’ The political damage that would do is immense.”

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A beefed-up tca could make a big difference to a few sectors, such as farming, notes Sam Lowe of Flint Global, a consultancy. The fading threat of a trade war over Northern Ireland should help business investment pick up. Yet the trade barriers thrown up by leaving the single market and customs union would largely remain. To tackle the damage that Brexit has done to Britain’s growth prospects requires deeper integration. “The choice is to warm up the deal we have now versus seeking to change the parameters of the relationship,” says Denzil Davidson, a former adviser to Theresa May, Mr Johnson’s predecessor.

A deal with the eu like Norway’s, fully inside the single market but without a vote on its rules, is often seen as a possible model. Yet Mr Barnier’s team never thought this a stable settlement for a large services economy, discloses Stefaan De Rynck, an aide, in a new book. The rule-taking it demands “would have put Euroscepticism on steroids”.


Finding a middle way would mean scoping out terrain somewhere between “Norway” and “Canada.” Precedents exist. Switzerland is a de facto member of the single market in pharmaceuticals, aviation, haulage and other areas; in exchange the Swiss adopt broad swathes of eu law. This was the turf scouted by Mrs May, who sought to remain in the single market for goods and stay outside it for services. She was felled by her own party before her proposals could be fully tested out.

Lateral thinking is again in the ether. Peter Mandelson, a former eu commissioner, calls for a “reconceptualisation” of the relationship. Take financial services. The City of London is relying on the eu’s bog-standard equivalence regime, which grants market access based on an alignment of rules. But Britain has been given access in far fewer areas than America, Hong Kong or Singapore. A “high ambition” deal would see financial regulators co-ordinate policy more tightly and adopt a “more rational, less mercantilist” approach, says Lord Mandelson.

Philip Hammond, a former chancellor of the exchequer, suggests a new grand bargain on migration policy to alleviate Britain’s skills shortages. More eu citizens departed than arrived last year. A right of access to Britain’s labour market could be exchanged for far deeper access to the European services market, says Mr Hammond. A return to the eu’s customs union is also theoretically possible, if a future government were ready to forgo the (thus far) economically nugatory but politically potent idea of an independent trade policy.

The moment to rethink Britain’s relationship will come in the second half of this decade, as the eu grapples with the membership ambitions of Ukraine and some Balkan states, says Nicolai von Ondarza of the German Institute for International and Security Affairs. The architecture of the wider continent will be in flux. “A smart British government could actually push the eu quite far,” he says. “If you add enough building blocks, you could move from the very hard Brexit we have today to a quite significantly softer version.”

Yet it would also require a revolution in thought. For British leaders it would mean a less dogmatic approach to eu law and free movement. One minister’s recent suggestion that Britain’s relationship with the bloc could eventually become more Swiss triggered paroxysms in the Tory party. For the eu it would require an even bigger leap: bringing a large, unpredictable rival uncomfortably close. In his memoirs Mr Barnier warns European leaders to be vigilant against Britain attempting to re-enter the single market “through the windows”.

Convergence, then, can seem both inevitable and impossible. In an era of rivalry with China and war in Ukraine, the thin tca “simply cannot bear the weight” of the relationship both sides need, says Sir Jonathan Faull, a former commission official. But overhauling the relationship will take time. Mr Vaitsas would have kept his deli open for longer, if he thought a solution was close. But he is 46, and wants to move on. “I think it might take a generation again for something significant to help.”
 
And blow the best chance of power for over a decade? They would basically be saying the British population are thick, and thousands of their traditional supporters were duped.

I mean, I agree with that, but there are way more issues they can address. "A plan for life outside the EU" would be a start, for example. Because its crystal clear that there has been zippo for 6 years.
I think there is enough info out there now where people can see that Brexit was nothing more than a guise to get that halfwit Johnson and his crooked cabinet in power. They also can see that there are still no tangible benefits and even the racist Brexit voters have their noses put out and will be voting for Reform anyway.
 
I'm not being funny, but the only report I can find from them around that time is this one - https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/sites/default/files/2022-12/Strategies to reduce waiting times 2022.pdf - which was commissioned by the DoH. You might agree after reading it that it's not really a report "condemning the Tory's" but rather just looking at various approaches that could be used to reduce waiting lists. It's actually a good report because it doesn't descend into the "one party good, one party bad" that is so common in any discussion around the NHS and looks at things from a more sober and evidence based vantage point.

I had a quick look for the report, looks like multiple news outlets ran with the story in early December, but looked like a leak. A couple of articles I saw said the report was to be published in the next week, but I can’t see the full report either.

Suspect there’s some tweaking and rewrites happening before publication, or at least been kicked into the long grass to let the current winter crisis calm down. But that’s supposition on my part.
 
I think there is enough info out there now where people can see that Brexit was nothing more than a guise to get that halfwit Johnson and his crooked cabinet in power. They also can see that there are still no tangible benefits and even the racist Brexit voters have their noses put out and will be voting for Reform anyway.

Think you are under estimating the double down that many Brexiteers will adopt. We see it on here. Its rubbish because Remainers didnt row the boat is the mantra.

Its done. Its crap. But campaigning on that is not a wise move, imo.
 
The fact that Sunak put the boats in his shortlist of priorities tells you all you need to know about what there data is telling them. Starmer needs to understand the audience or it'll be more if the same. All that matters now is that we get a fresh non psychopathic view in government
 
I had a quick look for the report, looks like multiple news outlets ran with the story in early December, but looked like a leak. A couple of articles I saw said the report was to be published in the next week, but I can’t see the full report either.

Suspect there’s some tweaking and rewrites happening before publication, or at least been kicked into the long grass to let the current winter crisis calm down. But that’s supposition on my part.
While I won't confess to being an avid reader of their work, I never had the impression that the King's Fund were very political either way. Instead they tried to remain wonkishly neutral.
 
The fact that Sunak put the boats in his shortlist of priorities tells you all you need to know about what there data is telling them. Starmer needs to understand the audience or it'll be more if the same. All that matters now is that we get a fresh non psychopathic view in government
It seems all very culture war'ish. Most of the surveys I've seen suggest British people are much less arsed about immigration than they were in 2016, despite overall numbers being broadly comparable with then. Maybe given that these immigrants are ones we can "control" so they can't moan about them, they're picking on those they don't control instead. It's really bottom feeding stuff.
 
I think there is enough info out there now where people can see that Brexit was nothing more than a guise to get that halfwit Johnson and his crooked cabinet in power. They also can see that there are still no tangible benefits and even the racist Brexit voters have their noses put out and will be voting for Reform anyway.
I was extremely pro-remain and I think Brexit has been an absolute disaster but if starmer says what’s suggested he’s basically surrendering vast parts of the ‘red wall’ . There is a reason the PM keeps prattling on about Rwanda and small boats
 
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