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zzr45 said:
Let’s be honest though, how many of those are issues which go back decades (housing, immigration, decline in heavy manufacturing) and one of which is debatable. To pin them squarely on this government is odd. Again the influence money has on politics isn’t anything new either. Your insinuation is that it’s all the fault of this government and that doesn’t sit right.

Just to give you a hypothetical situation, you and your friends decide to take a trip down to the South. Your initial plan is to drive down, but oddly everyone’s car is kaput. The trains are on strike and you can’t afford to fly down. You’ll have to walk down. Do you still make that trip?

To say a referendum is being ignored is wrong, it was acknowledged and article 50 was triggered. We are now at a point where we are staring down the barrel of a gun with nothing like what the Leave campaign promised (which was actually nothing, there was no idea about how’d this would be achieved) another referendum to actually confirm if this country wants to put itself through this is a ‘are you really sure?’

Oddly, Corbyn can’t see the absolute opportunity to be the hero here. By pushing for a second referendum he probably pulls in more support for the Labour Party and could most likely force an early election. But, his childish contempt for the EU and desire to see the country on its knees before he comes in as the hero is the overriding thought process
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I didn't say this government (and indeed that would make no sense as it was the last Government who called and ran the referendum), I said HMG.

As for Corbyn - if he calls for a second referendum and Parliament backs it, that leaves May or her successor in place to run it and deal with the aftermath. If he calls for a GE and wins it, he gets to decide what to do and to implement it. He would be barking mad to choose the former.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
I think people are confusing the fact that it shouldn't matter, with the fact that we all know for some people it does matter. He could have avoided it quite easily, but for some reason chose not to. He must have known that it would generate headlines in certain papers, yet chose to wear it anyway. The question is why?
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Bruce these are the same papers that savaged him solely based on the word of an ex-Czech spy, even though the story was completely unsupported and made absolutely zero sense even then. Surely at some point he is entitled to ignore them?
 
edge said:
Not behind after a shambles of a government like this surely.
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In a more normal times, yes. Or we are in the most difficult period the UK is going through in peace time! Once inside an election purdah I would expect those polls to change dramatically. Besides the ERG would have rid the Government and country of May by now and put Brexiteer in as PM had they had an inkling Labour under Corbyn is as weak as you suggest.
 
tsubaki said:
Bruce these are the same papers that savaged him solely based on the word of an ex-Czech spy, even though the story was completely unsupported and made absolutely zero sense even then. Surely at some point he is entitled to ignore them?
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Don't get me wrong, I largely think these tabloids aren't fit to wipe your bum with, and if it were me I would most definitely ignore them, but I'm not a politician. Can anyone hoping to form a government ignore large chunks of the electorate? You could argue, perhaps justifiably, that they won't like him regardless. I don't know tbh as I never read them, it just seemed a very easy thing for him to do (change his coat) that I can't really understand why he didn't.
 
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