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Headline news in other times , and no doubt a slow burner, given the seat with massive white working Brexit vote... And in fact we can normally expect swing for sitting government given world events.

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Paulette Hamilton wins Birmingham Erdington by-election for Labour

Labour’s vote share increased in the seat but almost three-quarters of voters stayed away from polling stations
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JimmyJeffers said:
Good article posted by Davek in the Chelsea thread (see @tsubaki posted it as well actually) I’ve read a couple of people saying that corbyn was soft on Russia.

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I think Corbyn is at heart a decent man which alone sets him apart from most politicians.

I thought some of his policies naive though, he was very vocal about dismantling the UK's nuclear deterrent and we've seen with Ukraine how that can turn out.
 
Diogenes the Cynic said:
I think Corbyn is at heart a decent man which alone sets him apart from most politicians.

I thought some of his policies naive though, he was very vocal about dismantling the UK's nuclear deterrent and we've seen with Ukraine how that can turn out.
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He seemed to believe his own hype a bit and was very badly advised on some subjects. I respect his principles though. I think the country needs some real left wing intervention right now.
 
Diogenes the Cynic said:
I think Corbyn is at heart a decent man which alone sets him apart from most politicians.

I thought some of his policies naive though, he was very vocal about dismantling the UK's nuclear deterrent and we've seen with Ukraine how that can turn out.
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That is the worst thing about Corbyn, that people remember what he was reported to have said not what he actually did as leader.

In reality he wasn’t vocal about dismantling the nuclear deterrent, he actually STFU about it to try and prevent rows within Labour.

This was a colossal shame because it prevented a lot of debate over the deterrent which might have actually educated the electorate as to how it works, what sacrifices (in terms of the military budget) we make to keep it and what we expect it to do. There was no more depressing moment of the 2017 election for me than the infamous gammon moment in what is still the best format of debate I’ve seen in U.K. politics) where he had the opportunity to say why he wouldn’t push the button, but instead there was waffle.
 
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tsubaki said:
That is the worst thing about Corbyn, that people remember what he was reported to have said not what he actually did as leader.

In reality he wasn’t vocal about dismantling the nuclear deterrent, he actually STFU about it to try and prevent rows within Labour.

This was a colossal shame because it prevented a lot of debate over the deterrent which might have actually educated the electorate as to how it works, what sacrifices (in terms of the military budget) we make to keep it and what we expect it to do. There was no more depressing moment of the 2017 election for me than the infamous gammon moment in what is still the best format of debate I’ve seen in U.K. politics) where he had the opportunity to say why he wouldn’t push the button, but instead there was waffle.
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I listened to a radio 4 interview with all the candidates for the Labour leadership before he got the job and he was very vocal about us not requiring a nuclear deterrent.

So whatever he did after he became leader, his actual views on it were already a matter of public record.

Obviously Trident costs a collosal amount of money. Money which is always going to be pointed at and labelled a waste because people can't see tangible results. Fire insurance is a waste of money until your house burns down.
 
Diogenes the Cynic said:
I think Corbyn is at heart a decent man which alone sets him apart from most politicians.

I thought some of his policies naive though, he was very vocal about dismantling the UK's nuclear deterrent and we've seen with Ukraine how that can turn out.
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Corbyn may well be a decent and principled person, revered by the cult he created, but he was a woeful labour leader for the country.

His stance and performance in the lead up to the Brexit referendum did more to enable the eventual outcome, than prevent it.

The same goes for many trade union leaders.
 
Haydn said:
Corbyn may well be a decent and principled person, revered by the cult he created, but he was a woeful labour leader for the country.

His stance and performance in the lead up to the Brexit referendum did more to enable the eventual outcome, than prevent it.

The same goes for many trade union leaders.
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Corbyn played a blinder in the referendum, well from a Leave perspective. He may or may not be a nice man, but he was a terrible Leader.….
 
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