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Am I honestly reading praise for Thatcher on an Everton forum?
Not praise mate but compared with this absolute lying muppet ....... I stand by my belief that she and Haughey would have moved the peace process forward like, amazingly McGuinness and Paisley. The grey boring middle of the road Major and Bruton did nothing to grasp the opportunity
 
Not praise mate but compared with this absolute lying muppet ....... I stand by my belief that she and Haughey would have moved the peace process forward like, amazingly McGuinness and Paisley. The grey boring middle of the road Major and Bruton did nothing to grasp the opportunity

Didnt Thatcher, or her Government, instigate talks with the IRA, like, not officially, but through channels that could move the whole mess onto sommet that ended up with, eventually, with the GFA?
 
Not praise mate but compared with this absolute lying muppet ....... I stand by my belief that she and Haughey would have moved the peace process forward like, amazingly McGuinness and Paisley. The grey boring middle of the road Major and Bruton did nothing to grasp the opportunity

Major did do one thing that many didn't do, he stood up to Murdoch. He obviously lost out to Blair because of this but that was a pretty big thing to do at that moment in time
 
Ironically, John Major was probably the last PM we've had who was even on nodding terms with what "working class" meant.
Yes I remember the soap box. But the two leaders by their failure to move from August 94 allowed nearly four years of return to violence before DG we finally got the GFA.

As posted earlier, I believe Major and Bruton are decent people, but they were clearly incapable of moving the process forward once the IRA stood back in 94. I was so down when I heard of Canary Wharf - believe it or not I had to go on stage that evening in a Pantomime.
 
Yes I remember the soap box. But the two leaders by their failure to move from August 94 allowed nearly four years of return to violence before DG we finally got the GFA.

As posted earlier, I believe Major and Bruton are decent people, but they were clearly incapable of moving the process forward once the IRA stood back in 94. I was so down when I heard of Canary Wharf - believe it or not I had to go on stage that evening in a Pantomime.
Oh no you didn't.......
 
Starmer absolutely eviscerated Johnson tonight. Probably about the best speech I've heard from him in the Commons.

Full text:

"What a joke. Even now as the latest mealy-mouthed apology stumbles out of one side of his mouth, a new set of deflections and distortions pour from the other.

But the damage is already done.

The public have made up their mind.

They don’t believe a word the Prime Minister says.

They know what he is.

As ever with this Prime Minister those close to him find themselves ruined and the institutions he vows to protect damaged.

Good ministers forced to walk away from public service.

The Chancellor’s career up in flames.

And the Leader of the Scottish Conservatives rendered pathetic.

For all those unfamiliar with this Prime Minister’s career.

This isn’t some fixable glitch in the system.

It’s the whole point.

It’s what he does.

It’s who he is.

He knows he’s dishonest and incapable of changing.

So he drags everybody else down with him.

The more people debase themselves, parroting his absurd defences, the more the public will believe all politicians are the same.

All as bad as each other.

And that suits this Prime Minister just fine.

Some members opposite seem oblivious to the Prime Minister’s game.

Some know what he’s up to but are too weak to act.

But others are gleefully playing the part the Prime Minister cast for them.

A minister on the radio this morning saying it’s the same as a speeding ticket.

No it’s not.

No one has ever broken down in tears because they couldn’t drive faster than 20mph outside a school.

Don’t insult the public with this nonsense.

But Mr Speaker, as it happens the last Minister who got a speeding ticket and then lied about it ended up in prison and I know because I prosecuted him.

And last week we were treated to a grotesque spectacle.

One of the Prime Minister’s loyal supporters accusing teachers and nurses of drinking in the staff room through lockdown.

Members opposite can associate themselves with that if they want.

But those of us who take pride in our NHS workers, our teachers and every other key worker who got us through those dark days will never forget their contempt.

Plenty didn’t agree with every rule the Prime Minister wrote.

But they followed them nonetheless because in this country we respect others, we put the greater
good above narrow self-interest and we understand that the rules apply to all of us.

This morning, I spoke to John Robinson, a constituent for the Member for Lichfield, I want to tell his story.

When his wife died of Covid, John and his family obeyed the Prime Minister’s rules.

He didn’t see her in hospital, he didn’t hold her hand as she died.

Their daughters and grandchildren drove 100 miles up the motorway, clutching a letter from the funeral director in case they were questioned by the police.

They didn’t have a service in the church, John’s son-in-law stayed away because he would have been the forbidden seventh mourner.

Doesn’t the Prime Minister realise that John would have given the world to hold his dying wife’s hand, even if it was just for nine minutes?

But he didn’t.

Because he followed the Prime Minister’s rules.

Rules that we now know the Prime Minister blithely, repeatedly and deliberately ignored.

After months of insulting excuses, today’s half-hearted apology will never be enough for John Robinson.

If the Prime Minister had any respect for John and the millions like him who sacrificed everything to follow the rules he’d resign.

But he won’t.

Because he doesn’t respect John.

He doesn’t respect the sacrifice of the British public.

He is a man without shame.

Looking past the Member for Lichfield and the nodding dogs in the cabinet.

There are many decent, honourable members on the benches opposite.

Who do respect John Robinson.

Who do respect the British public.

They know the damage the Prime Minister is doing.

They know things can’t go on as they are.

And they know it is their responsibility to bring an end to this shameful chapter.

Today I urge them once again.

Don’t follow in the slipstream of an out of touch, out of control Prime Minister.

Put their conscience first, put their country first, put John Robinson first and remove the Prime Minister from office.

Bring decency, honesty and integrity back into our politics.

And stop the denigration of everything that this country stands for."
 
Starmer absolutely eviscerated Johnson tonight. Probably about the best speech I've heard from him in the Commons.

Full text:

"What a joke. Even now as the latest mealy-mouthed apology stumbles out of one side of his mouth, a new set of deflections and distortions pour from the other.

But the damage is already done.

The public have made up their mind.

They don’t believe a word the Prime Minister says.

They know what he is.

As ever with this Prime Minister those close to him find themselves ruined and the institutions he vows to protect damaged.

Good ministers forced to walk away from public service.

The Chancellor’s career up in flames.

And the Leader of the Scottish Conservatives rendered pathetic.

For all those unfamiliar with this Prime Minister’s career.

This isn’t some fixable glitch in the system.

It’s the whole point.

It’s what he does.

It’s who he is.

He knows he’s dishonest and incapable of changing.

So he drags everybody else down with him.

The more people debase themselves, parroting his absurd defences, the more the public will believe all politicians are the same.

All as bad as each other.

And that suits this Prime Minister just fine.

Some members opposite seem oblivious to the Prime Minister’s game.

Some know what he’s up to but are too weak to act.

But others are gleefully playing the part the Prime Minister cast for them.

A minister on the radio this morning saying it’s the same as a speeding ticket.

No it’s not.

No one has ever broken down in tears because they couldn’t drive faster than 20mph outside a school.

Don’t insult the public with this nonsense.

But Mr Speaker, as it happens the last Minister who got a speeding ticket and then lied about it ended up in prison and I know because I prosecuted him.

And last week we were treated to a grotesque spectacle.

One of the Prime Minister’s loyal supporters accusing teachers and nurses of drinking in the staff room through lockdown.

Members opposite can associate themselves with that if they want.

But those of us who take pride in our NHS workers, our teachers and every other key worker who got us through those dark days will never forget their contempt.

Plenty didn’t agree with every rule the Prime Minister wrote.

But they followed them nonetheless because in this country we respect others, we put the greater
good above narrow self-interest and we understand that the rules apply to all of us.

This morning, I spoke to John Robinson, a constituent for the Member for Lichfield, I want to tell his story.

When his wife died of Covid, John and his family obeyed the Prime Minister’s rules.

He didn’t see her in hospital, he didn’t hold her hand as she died.

Their daughters and grandchildren drove 100 miles up the motorway, clutching a letter from the funeral director in case they were questioned by the police.

They didn’t have a service in the church, John’s son-in-law stayed away because he would have been the forbidden seventh mourner.

Doesn’t the Prime Minister realise that John would have given the world to hold his dying wife’s hand, even if it was just for nine minutes?

But he didn’t.

Because he followed the Prime Minister’s rules.

Rules that we now know the Prime Minister blithely, repeatedly and deliberately ignored.

After months of insulting excuses, today’s half-hearted apology will never be enough for John Robinson.

If the Prime Minister had any respect for John and the millions like him who sacrificed everything to follow the rules he’d resign.

But he won’t.

Because he doesn’t respect John.

He doesn’t respect the sacrifice of the British public.

He is a man without shame.

Looking past the Member for Lichfield and the nodding dogs in the cabinet.

There are many decent, honourable members on the benches opposite.

Who do respect John Robinson.

Who do respect the British public.

They know the damage the Prime Minister is doing.

They know things can’t go on as they are.

And they know it is their responsibility to bring an end to this shameful chapter.

Today I urge them once again.

Don’t follow in the slipstream of an out of touch, out of control Prime Minister.

Put their conscience first, put their country first, put John Robinson first and remove the Prime Minister from office.

Bring decency, honesty and integrity back into our politics.

And stop the denigration of everything that this country stands for."

I hope Johnson is on the pill as Starmer has gone in bareback there.
 
Not praise mate but compared with this absolute lying muppet ....... I stand by my belief that she and Haughey would have moved the peace process forward like, amazingly McGuinness and Paisley. The grey boring middle of the road Major and Bruton did nothing to grasp the opportunity
I’d take her over this charlatan every day of the week and twice on a Sunday.
 
I'm not a great fan of Cooper, but the disparity in intellect between the two of them is like taking a chainsaw to a marshmallow. This isn't the first time she's shown Patel up as the moron she is.

Cooper made a right arse of things when she was in the treasury…..
 
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