And in addition to my above post, we've never had unrestricted immigration, we were never part of the Schengen agreement.
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It's not a case of the media overstating these things, it's people believing these things. You seem to be saying that it's perfectly right and proper that people have a distorted view of the world, and indeed you seem happy that you yourself do. Not only that, you're happy for our government to continue spreading those lies rather than use facts and evidence to underpin what they do. If, as you suggest, that philosophy is in the majority then we really are in a sorry state.
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And don't forget these gems :Imagine thinking this bloke cares about the working class
Boris Johnson did write that “blue collar” men are likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hopeless – Full Fact
In a 1995 Spectator article, Boris Johnson wrote that ”blue collar” men are likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hopeless.fullfact.org
Boris Johnson described most deprived members of society as ‘chavs, losers, burglars and drug addicts’
Prime minister criticised for showing ‘disdain for working class people’ in 2005 article
www.independent.co.uk
British workers 'among worst idlers', suggest Tory MPs
Many British employees "prefer a lie-in to hard work", a group of Conservative MPs claims as they call for measures to boost productivity.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Sometimes you have to support what is right, I suspect the same things were being said when Labour MPs were supporting gay rights and speaking out against South African apartheid in the 1980s
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Well worth a read, and highlights an alternative Labour manifesto.
Part of the Blue Labour group.
Pro- Brexit.
Pro Nation State.
Patriotic ( without being nationalistic)
Pro- renationalising all major utilities.
A shift in emphasis from identity politics towards reconnecting with the traditional Red Wall voters.
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Becoming more condescending than that turnip Dead Soft which takes some doing
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Labour died in 1992
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Think It's there way of saying "ok Boris is a bit crap" and now looking for a path to redemption.
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I don't think you're understanding what he's saying at all.
To put it the way James Carville did, "It's the economy, stupid." In other words, you don't win elections by converting people to your worldview. That process happens, or doesn't, independent of the electoral process. You win elections by making common cause with people that disagree with your worldview. If you're going to sit there and denigrate him for believing what he believes, don't expect him to vote for your preferred political candidates. If you want to engage him in terms he understands, you have a much better shot at earning his vote.
A real cynic would say that those Labour MPs said what they said about those issues because they knew that was what their constituencies wanted to hear, and that they were prioritizing their own re-election over producing tangible real-world results with respect to those issues. A really committed cynic would say that the worst thing that can happen to the fire-eaters on any given issue is the resolution of that issue, because the resolution of that issue unravels the whole rationale for electing them in the first place. In marketing terms, it destroys their brand.
He has his view and is perfectly entitled to that view, I'm merely saying that it has been proven many times that when it comes to the factors underpinning the things he talks about, people have a very skewed perception of reality. For instance, given the terrible events yesterday, there are quite probably going to be various discussions around Islam (again). Now, given the below, should we discuss the topic based upon what actually is or what people "think" is?
British public wrong about nearly everything, survey shows
Britons think country is more conservative, more miserable and more Muslim than it actually is
www.independent.co.uk
If you want to discuss the issue on what actually is rather than people's perceptions, then you have to go about correcting incorrect perceptions, do you not? Or are we happy to pander to ignorance simply because that's what people believe? Heaven knows, it's quite evident that the Tories are quite happy to deal in lies and fantasies, but that hardly seems something we should reward when it comes to choosing a government.
Absolutely.
Crudely put in U K terms, that part of the left which feels free to proclaim loudly that a significant part of the electorate is thick and racist and five minutes later begs for their vote, pave the road for election failure.
How racist is Britain today? What the evidence tells us
Survey data shows British people continue to hold racist views and that minorities continue to face discrimination when applying for jobs.
theconversation.com
Around 1 in 5 Brits believe other races are inherently less intelligent, and up to 44% believe other races to be less hard working. Are you suggesting that such attitudes should be blithely accepted?
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