The Joseph Ikpo Yobo Appreciation Thread

[chicoazul]

Yes, yes I did.

 

[Cal]

Oh rite.

 

[Goat]

New York mate.

Welcome mate, stick around, everybody is dead nice and stuff. Reidy is a bad stalker tho.

 

[chicoazul]

Welcome mate, stick around, everybody is dead nice and stuff. Reidy is a bad stalker tho.

I heard theres at least two "nowhere within five miles" injunctions on him on here.

Nicky will suss him out soon enough.

 

[Neiler]

Yobo is, he's the best athlete on our books according to himself and Dave Billows (fitness coach). Lescott is also athletic as is Jags but Yobo is definitely the best in this area. They all have pace and strength but Yobo is the best athlete.

Jagielka is the best defender out of the three, he's a natural in that area like the likes of Stubbs, Carragher and Terry. That for me is a natural defender, they don’t depend on physical attributes, they are just very good defenders and read the game very well. They read the situation and deal with it, it’s all in the head really.

Lescott is an all rounder, not as good an athlete as Yobo but still very athletic and also a very good defender. His distribution is better than both players and he actually attempts to bring the ball out.

Who do you think Yobo will get back in for, Jags or Lescott?

Disagree pretty much with all of that opinion mate, i still think Lescott is the best athlethe of the three, ill put it this way i couldnt see either Yobo or Jags playing full back and bombing up and down the flanks consistently for consecutive games.

In terms of who is the best all round defender, id have to say Lescott, his positioning, physicality, anticpation, pace, ability and versatility mark him out. He has the class to play anywhere on the left hand side of defence and id warrent hed make a damn fine DM also simply because hes a natural footballer, in fact you could even make a case for him playing on the wing or up front at a push. He is naturally an all round good player.

Jags is tenacious and what he lacks in natural innate instinct and quality he makes up for in grit and determination. He probably has the best speed of thought and progression of how play will break down or develop of the three in the box or very deeply in the final third. Id wager Jags given time and coaching could master a variety of positistions certainly the way he has centre half but hes not a natural for me he certianly grew into that position and though hes top of the pops at the mo hes three bad games of gating a pasting similair to Lescott this season. Intrestingly he can switch from right to left which again would mean hes highly versatile but also that he can be coached into any position. Alot of what Jags does is reacting rather then preventing in any meaningfull positional way from plays breaking in front of him from a defensive point of view, he just comes into his own close to his man in the box, hes not great at holding a high line or when a man is in behind himor on his shoulder, note eduardo and Ashley Young to list but two of the most obvious.

Yobo for me is our most natural centre half in the sense, that hes the only one with an aclethic mix of what both Jags and Lescotts atrributes are in addition to being able to hold a high and low line, knowing when to step up, step back and come across to cover. Alot of what Yobo brings to the team is of the ball and thats the skill of a natural centre half, theres many games where we may have not conceaded and youl think to yourself that Yobo wasnt that involved today and yet we didnt concede. This is because he is one of the best in the buisness and A) marking players out of the game B) marking space for opposition players not to play into or run into C) by Positions he takes up on the pitch that severely restricts options from an oppositon attacking point of view to spring an attack, or slw it down sufficwcently for our midfeild to get back and cover breaks. Youl always notice Jags and Lescott making last ditch tackles or getting on headers in the box, but this is because play has already broken in front of them and the ball they are defending in the final danger ball. Yobo has the ability positionaly, and tacticly to position himself to slow, break down or frustrate attackes before they reach a critical stage or for that matter anywhere near our box. This is in addition to what he does when also on the ball for bread and butter blocks, headers, tackles and direct defending. Thats why hes our most natural centre half because he has the expeirence and innate insticts that Jags and Lescott dont have praticularly of the ball.

Im not saying drop Jags and Lescott as the team functions better with Baines in it. But hel be back, one injury across the back four and hes back in for another 20 game stint, its not what you belive should happen, its what will happen!

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Disagree pretty much with all of that opinion mate, i still think Lescott is the best athlethe of the three, ill put it this way i couldnt see either Yobo or Jags playing full back and bombing up and down the flanks consistently for consecutive games.

In terms of who is the best defender id have to say Lescott, his postioning, physicality, anticpation pace, ability and versatility mark him out. He has the class to play anywhere on the left hand side of defence and id warrent hed make a damn fine DM also simply because hes a natural footballer, in fact you could even make a case for him playing on the wing or up front at a push. He is naturally an all round good player.

Jags is tenacious, and what he lacks in natural instinct and quality he makes up for in grit and determination and he proabably has the best speed of thoufght and progression of how lay will probably break down or develop of the three. I dwager Jags given time and coaching could master a variety of positiostions certainly the way he has centre half. Intrestingly he can switch from right to left which again would mean hes highly versatile but also that he can be coached into any position.

Yobo for me is our most natural centre half in the sense, that hes the only one with an aclethic mix of what both Jags and Lescotts atrributes are in addition to holding holding the line, steping up, stepping back covering. Alot of whay Yobo brings to the team is of the ball and thats the skill of a natural centre half, theres many games where we may have not conceaded and youl think to yourself that yobo wasnt that involved tosday and yet we didnt onceade. This is because he is one of the best in the buisness and A) marking players out of the game B) marking space for opposition players not to play into or run into C) by Positions he takes up on the pitch that severely restricts options from an oppositon attacking point of view to spring an attack. Additionaly to what he does when also aon the ball or bread and buutter blokes and defending. Thats why hes our most natural centre half because he has the expeirence and innate insticts that Jags and Lescott dont have.

Im not saying drop Jags and Lescott as the team functions better with Baines in it. But hel be back one injury across the back four and he back in for another 20 game stint, its not what you belive should happen, its what will happen!

He's not the best athlete though, Joseph Yobo is according to himself, ToxtethBlue, Dave Billows (Head fitness coach) and Kyle Thorne (fitness and conditioning coach). The interviews are on Everton TV if you want the proof. There’s nothing more I can add on that.

The things you’ve mentioned are what all our centre backs do, it’s what every decent centre back does. I don’t see how Joe Yobo stands out in any of the departments mentioned, maybe you could give me an example. And an example of Jagielka and Lescott not doing this.

Yobo is a good centre half and I want him to stay but I’m confident that Jagielka and Lescott is now the first choice partnership and it will stay that way unless one gets injured. I just have that feeling, they are more reliable centre backs.

 

[Neiler]

He's not the best athlete though, Joseph Yobo is according to himself, ToxtethBlue, Dave Billows (Head fitness coach) and Kyle Thorne (fitness and conditioning coach). The interviews are on Everton TV if you want the proof. There’s nothing more I can add on that.

Who knows whats considered fitness, is it stamina in terms of weights, select bio chemical readout, body fat to muscle ratio, stamina or the ability to get up and down the pitch. Fitteness and how you judge it is subjective and it depends on the assessment used. I doubht very much its based on atheltisism wholly. Seriouly can you see Yobo and Jags get up and down the wings like Lescott has in the past season. Didnt think so.


The things you’ve mentioned are what all our centre backs do, it’s what every decent centre back does. I don’t see how Joe Yobo stands out in any of the departments mentioned, maybe you could give me an example. And an example of Jagielka and Lescott not doing this.

I gave you one already, its only my opinion mate but then you know how it goes, i think im righter then everyone else! Its clear in every game im sure youve seen the combinations as much as i have, defending as an art can only be appreciated of the ball, if you cant see any variations in thier games in terms of your own assessments, how can you say that Lesscot and Jags should start ahead of Yobo. Incidently im not saying that Lescott or Jags are flawed centre backs what im saying that Yobo is a more natural centre half then both.

Yobo is a good centre half and I want him to stay but I’m confident that Jagielka and Lescott is now the first choice partnership and it will stay that way unless one gets injured. I just have that feeling, they are more reliable centre backs.

Certianly at the moment id agree no reason to change it, but im not that bothered about who gets dropped if/when it happens due to injury or whatever, the most important element for me is keeping Baines in the team as a creative and attaacking dimension rather then who outof our talented centre back plays,. im not to concerned which out of the three plays! You know my thoughts mate its a squad game and all about options.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Certianly at the moment id agree no reason to change it, but im not that bothered about who gets dropped if/when it happens due to injury or whatever, the most important element for me is keeping Baines in the team as a creative and attaacking dimension rather then who outof our talented centre back plays,. im not to concerned which out of the three plays! You know my thoughts mate its a squad game and all about options.

Fair enough, it is a squad game and hopefully we can give Jagielka, Lescott and Yobo enough games to keep them all happy. Having the Europa cup around will certainly mean we have to rotate at times.

 

[kenada_blue]

But Yobo cant deal with a long ball (see most Arsenal games when we got done by long balls).......And I dont think his covering is very good when he's with Lescott, he gets too close to him (see the games against Stoke, West Brom, Blackburn when strikers had time and found space behind the back when put through).

Jags and Lescott work well because Jags covers well, Lescott can carry - both have great positional sense. Jags and Yobo work well because of this too - which happened last season as Lescott was at left back.

So if you're going to drop a centre half to keep the balance, it has to be Lescott IMO. I think Lescott and Yobo are too similar to work together.