The Johnny 'Colossus' Heitinga Appreciation Thread

[Number_25]

I couldn't believe how poor he's been since the world cup. Moyes needs to drop a few players, like he did with Cahill last season.

Remember Cahill came back a different player.

 

[RFUS]

KB's making some valid, and thought provoking points. As usual, to be fair.

Hmmmm.

Well, we're in the shiza right now. And I'm so disappointed and annoyed in Moyes. But if he can change it up, and stop being so stubborn, maybe even realise that he's pissing away the best chance we've had at success in 20 years, and fix it, I can forgive and forget.

 

[kenada_blue]

I couldn't believe how poor he's been since the world cup. Moyes needs to drop a few players, like he did with Cahill last season.

Remember Cahill came back a different player.

Cahill was pretty gash all season till January

 

[Brownie]

Again, as poor as he was, what were his instructions?

Who was in what position in our midfield three? To me it looked like Fellaini was being asked to do everything. He didn't know where he was supposed to be, up front or defensive midfield. He changed position about nine times.

Heitinga was just a spare player taking up space, we didn't need him there. Arteta's role is suffering as well because of all the changing around, he's gone into his shell trying to be the 'fulcrum' of the team. All he does at the moment is just turn and pass. What happened to the little dribbles and bits of skill to make space and open things up?

I've said in the past that I'm a big advocate of having a central midfield partnership (of two). For me it's just as important as the centre back partnership, particularly for a team that has a lot of possession. Arteta and Neville was a good one, now we need a new one and I wish the manager would make his mind up.

 

[kenada_blue]

KB's making some valid, and thought provoking points. As usual, to be fair.

Hmmmm.

Well, we're in the shiza right now. And I'm so disappointed and annoyed in Moyes. But if he can change it up, and stop being so stubborn, maybe even realise that he's pissing away the best chance we've had at success in 20 years, and fix it, I can forgive and forget.

Being honest...he was rock solid as a DM last season. But maybe he's come back thinking "I should be 1st on the team sheet, playing my prefered position etc" and could be unmotivated at the moment.

Up to Moyes to sort it out. Which is another thing where you have to see if he's up to taking the team on. If this is the case...what would happen if he had a Drogba in his team having a whinge? Could he handle that or telling him to what he's been told?

 

[little curly alan ball]

Oh come on hey lids.

He was VERY bad yesterday, but to say he wants out is knee jerk at best.

Sorry , kid .

I heard that privately y'day . From a TOP source , but NOT THE Source .

Thus , it was an opinion . WEREN'T why I kicked off . In fact I was told as a result of my rant . His performance an' general blase air , was the catalyst for my feeling .

I repeat , I dig JH , but IF he wants out ,.. The door is THAT way .

( Points ,...)

 

[thebluefox]

hes 50/ 50 for brentford .must of got some sort of knock yesterday ,

 

[kenada_blue]

Sorry , kid .

I heard that privately y'day . From a TOP source , but NOT THE Source .

Thus , it was an opinion . WEREN'T why I kicked off . In fact I was told as a result of my rant . His performance an' general blase air , was the catalyst for my feeling .

I repeat , I dig JH , but IF he wants out ,.. The door is THAT way .

( Points ,...)

I hate that mentality to be honest. Top players have big ego's and its up to the manager to make it work for the team.

We'll never have a world class player in the modern age at the club if all we do is upset them then offer them the door out. Its counter productive and doesnt get the team anywhere. If we had that way of working, we'd just have a team of Hibberts, Osman's etc and go nowhere.

No wonder players dont mind jumping ship and the way things are shaping up you're gonna be looking at Pienaar, Fellaini and Heitinga saying good bye next season.

You want players to moan at the manager sometimes and you want your manager to sort it out and make them work for you. Its why I've mentioned - Would Moyes be able to handle a Drogba, Anelka etc? My opinion is that he wouldnt be able to. Its like than Ben Arfa lad...he's meant to be a tool...but I'd love him in a blue shirt because you need class on the pitch...then you need to handle the personality off the pitch.

 

[toffeebhoy]

he has beens [Poor language removed] since he came back from the WC maybe hes just havina DUTCH moment if its the case hes pricking about in the background been the only WC finalist in the squad well then regardless of egos imo we can do without hes good but not irreplacable but if its a acase of him huffin andpufifn bout him bene behind Distin then he has a case to be pissed

 

[teppic]

He has been awful.

World Cup final or not.

 

[little curly alan ball]

I hate that mentality to be honest. Top players have big ego's and its up to the manager to make it work for the team.

We'll never have a world class player in the modern age at the club if all we do is upset them then offer them the door out. Its counter productive and doesnt get the team anywhere. If we had that way of working, we'd just have a team of Hibberts, Osman's etc and go nowhere.

No wonder players dont mind jumping ship and the way things are shaping up you're gonna be looking at Pienaar, Fellaini and Heitinga saying good bye next season.

You want players to moan at the manager sometimes and you want your manager to sort it out and make them work for you. Its why I've mentioned - Would Moyes be able to handle a Drogba, Anelka etc? My opinion is that he wouldnt be able to. Its like than Ben Arfa lad...he's meant to be a tool...but I'd love him in a blue shirt because you need class on the pitch...then you need to handle the personality off the pitch.

I swore I weren't gonna get into this with you , tbh , but actually I agree .

HOWEVER , IF said player(s) HAVE MADE UP THEIR FUKN MIND - do you need examples ??? , then it's like trying to push a pebble up hill .

MY point was , it wasn't just y'day . If you hapen to se the Utd game again , check second half , as they swarmed all over us like the fukn Zulu's at Rourke's Drift , our Holandisch Hero , Our Enforcer , basically spewed it , 3/ 4 / 5 times , and just stoped chasing is man and passed him on .

Furthermore , y'day , when receiving possession consistently throughout the game , he would immediately play a wall pass to the original sender , IRRESPECTIVE of the sitruation , men on , position , touch line etc .

THESE were the foundation of my feelings . I REITERATE , I LIKE Johnny . But I ALSO REITERATE , I'll be here a LONG time after him , or me kids and nephew's will be . Thus , if he , or anybody else deems us below them , then let's get the best dal possible .

There , I've said it .

 

[TX Bill]

If we're going to bitch and moan about Ossie being asked to play out of position and excel, then sure, let's go ahead and bitch and moan about Heitinga being played out of position as well.

As long as we understand that where they're being asked to play isn't their best positions.

We need to get Heitinga in back with Jags. ASAP.

 

[little curly alan ball]

If we're going to bitch and moan about Ossie being asked to play out of position and excel, then sure, let's go ahead and bitch and moan about Heitinga being played out of position as well.

As long as we understand that where they're being asked to play isn't their best positions.

We need to get Heitinga in back with Jags. ASAP.

I weren't bitching TX .

I was just expressing the evidence of my eyes . What I was told later merely reaffirmed it .

 

[TX Bill]

No problem because I sure was yesterday.

I was pissed to say the least.

 

[Phil Neville Superstar]

He has to play CB, if not, then he's on the bench.