Current Affairs The General Election

[davek]

erm....

Are you really contesting that?

It's right down there with the lowest jibe in the English language.

Even the Tories know it....which is why they readily accepted the description of their opponents in the nineteenth century.

 

[peteblue]

Are you really contesting that?

It's right down there with the lowest jibe in the English language.

Even the Tories know it....which is why they readily accepted the description of their opponents in the nineteenth century.

And a Merry Christmas to you too Dave......

 

[roydo]

It’s not I guess if you don’t wish to explain, I just don’t really see much that explains how the Tories will get Brexit done in any way that really works so would be interested in an alternative view.

I dont think anyone has a clue how it will all pan out, but at least they had something to get things moving. Thats pretty much why I voted for them. Hardly a ringing endorsement of them, more the best of a bad bunch.

Anything to put an end to this train crash of a hung parliament where nothing has happened for 3 1/2 years.

 

[davek]

I have a feeling a lot more people will be repenting at their leisure over putting those unspeakable turds back in.

"It wuz Brexit".


Yeah.

 

[roydo]

I have a feeling a lot more people will be repenting at their leisure over putting those unspeakable turds back in.

"It wuz Brexit".


Yeah.

If that is aimed at me, it was the only reason I voted at all.

 

[evilwebby]

Last 3 years of parliamentary gridlock also shows why PR would be an absolute disaster.

 

[davek]

If that is aimed at me, it was the only reason I voted at all.

It was aimed at Tories in general.

 

[roydo]

It was aimed at Tories in general.

In that case I dont understand the point you are making.

 

[davek]

In that case I dont understand the point you are making.

What's not to understand? Tory voters will repent at leisure. Plain as a pike staff.

 

[roydo]

What's not to understand? Tory voters will repent at leisure. Plain as a pike staff.

Gotcha. Got sidetracked by the Brexit reference.

Who knows? More by luck rather than judgement, Johnston has a golden opportunity to actually deliver stuff to those ex Labour voters and maybe get their backing in a post Brexit world. For me personally, in my day to day life, the issues that many blamed on the EU are non existent hence my wish for the whole thing to actually get out of the treacle and proper politics to make a return.

 

[catcherintherye]

Hardly their battle bus was anti brexit and their support came from a multi faceted base much of it utter odium for Corbyn and Johnson
The clear democratic vote on the issue put it to bed just a few years ago for better or worse the will of the scots was to abide by the democratic will of the union which in this case was to leave europe. Entirely undemocratic to abandon the wishes of the majority on something NOT dedicated as a choice between referendum or not

I think the viability of that referendum result when the vow that was promised (and ultimately swung the election) was ignored and Scotland elected 90% of it's MP's for a party that is inherently pro independence. Politics moves on and there are about 4 key events that have made what happened in 2014 now completely irrelevant.

I mean, if we really believe in democracy, we would not be supporting a country coming out of the EU when every constituency voted to remain. It's the biggest affront to democracy in post war Britain.

 

[davek]

Gotcha. Got sidetracked by the Brexit reference.

Who knows? More by luck rather than judgement, Johnston has a golden opportunity to actually deliver stuff to those ex Labour voters and maybe get their backing in a post Brexit world. For me personally, in my day to day life, the issues that many blamed on the EU are non existent hence my wish for the whole thing to actually get out of the treacle and proper politics to make a return.

Well, he's already reneged on promises that would benefit those people and others who didn't vote Tory.

For me, this is the bottom line: whether people were traditionally Labour voters or were Tory voters and voted Tory on 12th December - they all are now Tories. They chose who they wanted, now they can repent at leisure.

Me and others like me? We can rest easy.

 

[catcherintherye]

Gotcha. Got sidetracked by the Brexit reference.

Who knows? More by luck rather than judgement, Johnston has a golden opportunity to actually deliver stuff to those ex Labour voters and maybe get their backing in a post Brexit world. For me personally, in my day to day life, the issues that many blamed on the EU are non existent hence my wish for the whole thing to actually get out of the treacle and proper politics to make a return.

It's a fair point. I understand it too. I wanted Labour to win but desperately didn't want another referenda!

Do you worry that we are now going to get further bogged down on the melodrama of the Tory politics of brinksmanship with itself, and an extremely lengthy next phase? And alongside that, were you not at all tempted by the Lib Dems proposal to revoke?

I find it interesting really that it just didn't seem to cut through at all amongst voters, when to me it perhaps seems the easiest way to resolve the issue.

 

[roydo]

I think the viability of that referendum result when the vow that was promised (and ultimately swung the election) was ignored and Scotland elected 90% of it's MP's for a party that is inherently pro independence. Politics moves on and there are about 4 key events that have made what happened in 2014 now completely irrelevant.

I mean, if we really believe in democracy, we would not be supporting a country coming out of the EU when every constituency voted to remain. It's the biggest affront to democracy in post war Britain.

But the SNP polled less votes than the non SNP votes.

 

[catcherintherye]

But the SNP polled less votes than the non SNP votes.

Well of course, but thats a frankly quite odd argument as nobody was assuming either elections were actual referendums.

The Tories, and indeed the Leave vote across the board was lower than the remain vote in 2019, but we all know it was a big vote to leave the EU.

The SNP now have 3 mandates that are far more comprehensive than what the Tories have achieved in 2019. That is an overwhelming mandate to have another vote. Whatever one's view is of how the vote should go, these are ore points of order than opinions.

I mean just to add in, David Cameron won less seats than the SNP have managed proportionately yet we still had the Brexit vote in 2016. Thats how politics works. He got nowhere near 50% of the vote.