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[peteblue]

its like Thermopylae we are there standing are ground facing massive odds in a futile battle, when some wooly back that's swapped sides will show them the way around are defences, and we get webbed all over the place, but do it gloriously fashion.
They never will kill the spirit and pride of the scouse spartans.

Bravo.....

 

[peteblue]

They do after any election

Only when the Tories win....

 

[Sy-]

Aided and abetted by a huge media effort in propogating lies and dirt throwing.

I think everyone knows that they all lie, at this point I wonder if the slightly more casual voter in this country simply use their vote to spite certain types of people:

- The vegan feminist bloke at work who lectures everyone about voting, is a labour voter
- The bubble of pumped up sanctimonious idiots on social media who don't shut up about their superior, highly educated opinions, are labor voters
- The woke student who thinks they know it all at 18 years old and thinks they deserve higher education for "free", is a labour voter

The reasons that the cities like Liverpool are left leaning are a hell of lot more legitimate than simply to chalk up a win for their own moral superiority like this ^ group of people. The attitude of this demographic is negative propaganda for their own cause, I never saw anything whatsoever that actually made me want to vote Tory (I didn't btw).

 

[Eggs]

What’s this thing you have against union officials and shop stewards?

You mention it on every post

....I was a union member for over 40 years and I’ve got the gold badge to show it, but I saw a unity left movement of not very smart people taking over and pushing an agenda that if folk didn’t agree they were bullied and they were outcast.

Trade Unions do a great job, Labour has rightly had close ties but we now have a greater merger of the two and I don’t think it’s healthy and I don’t think it works. Increasingly, Labour is selecting a narrow church of ex-Union type candidates. They all talk the same talk, they are not well-rounded and it puts the electorate off.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

Can't agree with this any more.

I work in digital/social - social is a massive, massive bum steer.

Danny is right. Have a look at how much is spent on digital ads. I believe the Torys spent 50% less (need to double check) but look at the US spending on adverts. It runs into the hundreds of millions of dollars. I think Bloomberg alone spent about $32m

 

[degsy]

I've not had a chance to check individual results. But did any Liverpool constituencies turn Tory at all?

No but in the two I had a glance at, there was a drop off in the Labour vote.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

No different to Corbyn saying that the conservatives are going to sell the NHS to Trump. Personally I happen to believe that most people over the age of 35 don’t react, listen or believe any of the nonsense contained in ‘fake news’....

They've been discussing it for 2 years in secret talks, the Tories have been privatising the NHS through the back door for 9 years.

Brexit trumped everything this election, even the NHS, I would not trust the Tories or Johnson with the NHS anymore than I'd trust Trump not to bargain a way to raise drug prices and cost us billions.

 

[Bluerover]

Said it months ago...if I could see it why not the Labour front bench?

I remember Foot as Labour leader and I thought they wouldn't be as stupid again in terms of choice of leader. Corbyn has proven to be disastrous on a history-making scale.

Worst thing happened for them was his late surge two years ago. Had he been replaced then with someone who had better qualities I don't think we would be looking at the same scale of devastation- they might even have won with better, sensible policies.

 

[Blue 1]

Just listening to labour trying to blame the media, heads in sand once again....

Disappointing.

It obviously plays a part, but if that's the line they're taking then God help us. Labour's problems are manifold, and some soul-searching is needed if they're going to figure out how to unite the disparate groups that still support them and then attract the support necessary to find a path back to power.

Also, cheers for not being too much of a tit about your devastating victory.

 

[Dharma]

The markets seem to have reacted positively to the result.....

The price of many thousands of lives

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Danny is right. Have a look at how much is spent on digital ads. I believe the Torys spent 50% less (need to double check) but look at the US spending on adverts. It runs into the hundreds of millions of dollars. I think Bloomberg alone spent about $32m

I think some ads can be effective - just because of the ability to target. You can set a narrative as a result of them through moderation of comments.

General organic social noise is a nonsense though.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

I remember Foot as Labour leader and I thought they wouldn't be as stupid again in terms of choice of leader. Corbyn has proven to be disastrous on a history-making scale.

Worst thing happened for them was his late surge two years ago. Had he been replaced then with someone who had better qualities I don't think we would be looking at the same scale of devastation- they might even have won with better, sensible policies.

He's a brexiteer, that's the funny thing in all this, had he stuck to his beliefs, not been cowed into changing Labour into a remain party by his own front bench, he'd have had a great shot at being PM.

All he had to say is we will honour the referendum, 5m Labour voters don't vote Tory and Brexit party through gritted teeth.

 

[peteblue]

He's a brexiteer, that's the funny thing in all this, had he stuck to his beliefs, not been cowed into changing Labour into a remain party by his own front bench, he'd have had a great shot at being PM.

All he had to say is we will honour the referendum, 5m Labour voters don't vote Tory and Brexit party through gritted teeth.

Yep, had he honoured the referendum I think he may just have won.......

 

[arminisgod]

It wasn't just about brexit. My parents and grandparents all staunch labour justify found corbyn toxic.

 

[dandydan]

He's a brexiteer, that's the funny thing in all this, had he stuck to his beliefs, not been cowed into changing Labour into a remain party by his own front bench, he'd have had a great shot at being PM.

All he had to say is we will honour the referendum, 5m Labour voters don't vote Tory and Brexit party through gritted teeth.

Every safe Labour seat that went Tory the swing went to the brexit party not Tory. Labour effectively shot themselves in the foot.