Current Affairs The General Election

[monty]

I've lived in Germany since 2005, and have been running business since 2009. There's a very complex tax system (I do my own taxes) which isn't directly comparable with UK, however corporation tax can broadly be compared with Körperschaftsteuer, of which the percentage is 15% (plus 5.5% on that 15% amount solidarity-tax). This is for larger businesses (corporations). I only have a small modest thing going, so I pay a business-tax called Gewerbesteuer, but only if I hit a certain amount of profit (which I rarely do). However corporations also have to pay this Gewerbesteuer, and if they post mighty profits, this could run the total tax-due percentage (including the Körperschaftsteuer) to around 30% maximum.


Gewerbesteuer could be translated as commercial tax, or trade tax. Or simply business tax. is there such a thing? I'm not familiar with the UK tax system...

No but we should introduce a fat cat tax, remember we are all in this together

 

[dholliday]

No but we should introduce a fat cat tax, remember we are all in this together

what would that be specifically?

 

[Catfish Blues]

...I don’t think Burnham made a mess of the leadership contest, the Party governance made a mess of the contest. Party members voting for the leader sounds so good, so democratic but a system that selects Ed over David Milliband and Corbyn over Burnham is flawed.

Much better MPs identify two candidates they want to lead them and let the members decide which of those wins.

Burnham and Milliband are too closely associated with the Blair / Brown era. Now I'm a big fan of what they did in government, but the reality is that most of the activists in the party don't want to go back to that era. Also, Corbyn and our more radical policies ( though not that radical ) appeal a lot to the youth of the country, and we need to maintain that appeal, which I think we'd risk losing if we went back to what are effectively yesterday's men.

Basically we need a left of centre leader, who's media savvy and doesn't come with the baggage that Corbyn has, so isn't such an easy target for the right wing media to aim at ( they'll still try, but at least we'll have a chance to bat them off ).

From the current shadow cabinet, I'd happily support Long-Bailey or Rayner

 

[Minimeister]

Burnham and Milliband are too closely associated with the Blair / Brown era. Now I'm a big fan of what they did in government, but the reality is that most of the activists in the party don't want to go back to that era. Also, Corbyn and our more radical policies ( though not that radical ) appeal a lot to the youth of the country, and we need to maintain that appeal, which I think we'd risk losing if we went back to what are effectively yesterday's men.

Basically we need a left of centre leader, who's media savvy and doesn't come with the baggage that Corbyn has, so isn't such an easy target for the right wing media to aim at ( they'll still try, but at least we'll have a chance to bat them off ).

From the current shadow cabinet, I'd happily support Long-Bailey or Rayner

Rayner was great tonight. Plus she'll take away the main Tory tactic in winning elections, aggressive personal attacks, the country wouldn't stand for that bullying. Also they really need to try and attract the female vote because Corbyn doesn't seem to be too appealing to the floating female voter.

 

[zzr45]

That’s the lie the Tories told, cut it and it encourages market growth which generates more income for the country.

load of bollocks, Johnson just cancelled a further 2% saying it would put 6bn back into the kitty, so cutting it is bad for the country, according to Johnson.

Germany 29%, France 34%, Italy 27%, Spain 25%, UK 19%

You look around yourself now and tell me things weren’t better under Labour from 97 into the 2000’s when they had a higher rate inline with other countries and the NHS and public services weren’t on their arse like they are now.

But it’s demonstrably happened that the actual tax income coming in increased, as did the percentage it represented as GDP. Painting the corporate tax cut as completely wrong seems contextually devoid.

 

[zzr45]

Rayner was great tonight. Plus she'll take away the main Tory tactic in winning elections, aggressive personal attacks, the country wouldn't stand for that bullying. Also they really need to try and attract the female vote because Corbyn doesn't seem to be too appealing to the floating female voter.

Seems a bit sexist this

 

[Minimeister]

Seems a bit sexist this

Which bit mate?

 

[dholliday]

Rayner was great tonight. Plus she'll take away the main Tory tactic in winning elections, aggressive personal attacks, the country wouldn't stand for that bullying. Also they really need to try and attract the female vote because Corbyn doesn't seem to be too appealing to the floating female voter.

What gives you that impression?

 

[Catfish Blues]

Rayner was great tonight. Plus she'll take away the main Tory tactic in winning elections, aggressive personal attacks, the country wouldn't stand for that bullying. Also they really need to try and attract the female vote because Corbyn doesn't seem to be too appealing to the floating female voter.

Neither of them are perfect, and the media would focus on their inexperience, but that's also part of their appeal - an almost complete lack of baggage. I've not met her, but Rayner comes across well in the media, whereas I've briefly met Long-Bailey a couple of times and been pretty impressed.

Their politics are a bit to the left of mine, but they both seem blessed with common sense, something which, for decades, I've struggled to detect in Corbyn.

 

[Charro]

Burnham and Milliband are too closely associated with the Blair / Brown era. Now I'm a big fan of what they did in government, but the reality is that most of the activists in the party don't want to go back to that era. Also, Corbyn and our more radical policies ( though not that radical ) appeal a lot to the youth of the country, and we need to maintain that appeal, which I think we'd risk losing if we went back to what are effectively yesterday's men.

Basically we need a left of centre leader, who's media savvy and doesn't come with the baggage that Corbyn has, so isn't such an easy target for the right wing media to aim at ( they'll still try, but at least we'll have a chance to bat them off ).

From the current shadow cabinet, I'd happily support Long-Bailey or Rayner

Two women with regional accents, one with a speech impediment would get murdered by the press.

I think both of them are brilliant though.

Big fan of Clive Lewis as well.

 

[Minimeister]

What gives you that impression?

Just the impression I get talking to people and on-line. Might be complete crap.

 

[davek]

Neither of them are perfect, and the media would focus on their inexperience, but that's also part of their appeal - an almost complete lack of baggage. I've not met her, but Rayner comes across well in the media, whereas I've briefly met Long-Bailey a couple of times and been pretty impressed.

Their politics are a bit to the left of mine, but they both seem blessed with common sense, something which, for decades, I've struggled to detect in Corbyn.

Whoever is chosen, if they're from the left they'll be presented to the world by the media as a dangerous anti-semitic anarchist. They just wont allow the left to be seen as credible. If you think its Corbyn's fault and it just needs better presentation, you're wrong.

 

[Pudsey]

Cannot to this day see how Rayner is impressive. To me she always comes across like a straggler from the Twisted Wheel. We need people able to hold an argument rather than repeat well rehearsed party lines for God's sake.

 

[Catfish Blues]

Whoever is chosen, if they're from the left they'll be presented to the world by the media as a dangerous anti-semitic anarchist. They just wont allow the left to be seen as credible. If you think its Corbyn's fault and it just needs better presentation, you're wrong.

Corbyn's only part of the problem, Brexit's more of a problem than he is this time round.

On the assumption that we don't form a government this time round, I think a combination of a much reduced Brexit effect, a leader who isn't considered a liability by enough people that make a difference and some policy tweaking here and there ( mostly on priorities ), would make us very electable.

Or, we can sit around in a circle and agree on how terrible the media is and it's all unfair, when, in reality, it's always been like that so we need to stop whinging about the injustice of the situation.

 

[Moomin]

Cannot to this day see how Rayner is impressive. To me she always comes across like a straggler from the Twisted Wheel. We need people able to hold an argument rather than repeat well rehearsed party lines for God's sake.

Like Boris?