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[davek]

There is some truth to this I think. Centuries of cultural conditioning and a numerous and powerful bourgeois class are to blame.
Norway, for example, never really had a landed gentry or strong upper class, partly due to geography and being a colony of Denmark and Sweden for centuries. Now it is one of the highest rates of income distribution in the world. We’re still stuck in the the 1900s.

Britain's imperial past mate. The British working class had some benefit from Empire, but the trade off was to identify with their own ruling class as their own masters who knew best. They (the Britiosh working class) were "better" than the workers and peasants of the colonised territories, and that served to justify their own acquiescence. Crudely put, of course.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Brexit.

That's all it is.

A one off protest vote by the serfs.

I think you're supposed to play down Jezzer's desire to be Lenin Dave.

 

[tsubaki]

It won’t be grim for everyone though. Your middle England brexit voter will be happy with ‘good old Boris sticking it to those unelected bureaucrats’ The Tory vote won’t collapse in the next 5 years.
In my opinion, financially, many people won’t notice significant differences. The people that will be most affected will once again be those at the very bottom who generally don’t vote (in my experience) and who most people don’t even care about.

It will be, though.

For a start, once he "gets Brexit done" they will be left with noone else to blame for what the country is like and they'll probably experience the sort of destructive catharsis that the SNP will go through if they ever get independence. Remainers will still blame them, as will those Leave people who finally realise that a Tory Brexit was only ever going to be in the interests of a small group of Tories.

Secondly, the lesson of the Tory care plan of 2017 (or the 2019 version, which despite a clear unequivocal promise doesn't apparently exist) is that the only people who can be taxed to pay for anything are exactly the middle England brexit voters; the only other people who have money or assets are the people who actually fund the Tories rather than just vote for them. If there is an impact, and all evidence says there will, the people who had something and lose some of it will feel it more than the people who had nothing at the start.

 

[davek]

Interesting sub-stat from last night's debate:


YouGov snap leaders poll

LD voters:

71% Corbyn
29% Johnson


...feeds into the potential for the LD vote to collapse when push comes to shove and the reality of a lying racist for the next 5 years come sharply into view.

 

[tsubaki]

Interesting sub-stat from last night's debate:


YouGov snap leaders poll

LD voters:

71% Corbyn
29% Johnson


...feeds into the potential for the LD vote to collapse when push comes to shove and the reality of a lying racist for the next 5 years come sharply into view.

TBF we don't want it to collapse, just in Labour held and Labour target seats. The LD vote should be piled on in every Tory-LD marginal.

 

[Tramps_mate]

We really are screwed if the Tory's win again...

2010-2019, in case you missed it...

1,000 sure start centres closed.
780 libraries closed.
700 football pitches closed.
Food bank use up 2,400%.
Homelessness up 1,000%.
Rough sleeping up 1,200%
Bedroom tax caused mass evictions.
Evictions are running at record highs.
35% of U.K. kids live in poverty.
Student fees up 300%.
Student debt has risen 150%.
Eradication of EMA (education maintenance allowance).
National debt has risen from £850billion to £2.25trillion.
Emergency Brexit stimulus from BoE in June 2016 of £175b.
Brexit related fall in national revenue £500b.
GDP fallen to -0.1%.
GBP fallen by circa 15% versus EUR and USD.
Manufacturing in recession.
Construction in recession.
Services close to recession.
25-30% cuts to all govt departments.
25-30% cuts to all councils, mainly centred on Labour councils.
Half of councils facing effective bankruptcy.
185k extra deaths attached to the political ideology of austerity.
25,000 less police.
20,000 less prison officers.
10,000 less border officials.
10,000 less firefighters.
10,000 less medical professionals.
25,000 less bed spaces for mental illness.
OECD calculate 3 million hidden unemployed, rate is really 13%.
Creation of 1.3m jobs, mainly temporary, self employed, gig economy and ZHC.
Only 30k full time work positions created.
Close on 50% of workers are self employed, ZHC, or part time precariat.
80% of the 5.3 million self employed live below the poverty line.
35% of self employed only earn £100 a month.
25% cuts for our disabled community.
80% cuts to Mobility allowance.
Closing Remploy.
40% of working households have practically no savings.
70% of households have less than 10k savings.
60% of households can only survive 2 months without a wage.
Household debt reaches new peak, despite emergency base rates.
Increase of 50% in hate crimes.
Increase of knife crime by 150% to 22,000 per year.
Increase in teenage suicide by 70%.
Suicide up 12% in the year 2018.
Self harm among young women up 70%.
Life expectancy down 3 years.
NHS satisfaction level at lowest recorded rate.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
Zero starter homes built, despite Tory flagship programme.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
One million families on council home waiting list.
100,000 increase on the council home waiting list since 2010.
36,000 teachers have left the profession.

 

[Milkman]

We really are screwed if the Tory's win again...

2010-2019, in case you missed it...

1,000 sure start centres closed.
780 libraries closed.
700 football pitches closed.
Food bank use up 2,400%.
Homelessness up 1,000%.
Rough sleeping up 1,200%
Bedroom tax caused mass evictions.
Evictions are running at record highs.
35% of U.K. kids live in poverty.
Student fees up 300%.
Student debt has risen 150%.
Eradication of EMA (education maintenance allowance).
National debt has risen from £850billion to £2.25trillion.
Emergency Brexit stimulus from BoE in June 2016 of £175b.
Brexit related fall in national revenue £500b.
GDP fallen to -0.1%.
GBP fallen by circa 15% versus EUR and USD.
Manufacturing in recession.
Construction in recession.
Services close to recession.
25-30% cuts to all govt departments.
25-30% cuts to all councils, mainly centred on Labour councils.
Half of councils facing effective bankruptcy.
185k extra deaths attached to the political ideology of austerity.
25,000 less police.
20,000 less prison officers.
10,000 less border officials.
10,000 less firefighters.
10,000 less medical professionals.
25,000 less bed spaces for mental illness.
OECD calculate 3 million hidden unemployed, rate is really 13%.
Creation of 1.3m jobs, mainly temporary, self employed, gig economy and ZHC.
Only 30k full time work positions created.
Close on 50% of workers are self employed, ZHC, or part time precariat.
80% of the 5.3 million self employed live below the poverty line.
35% of self employed only earn £100 a month.
25% cuts for our disabled community.
80% cuts to Mobility allowance.
Closing Remploy.
40% of working households have practically no savings.
70% of households have less than 10k savings.
60% of households can only survive 2 months without a wage.
Household debt reaches new peak, despite emergency base rates.
Increase of 50% in hate crimes.
Increase of knife crime by 150% to 22,000 per year.
Increase in teenage suicide by 70%.
Suicide up 12% in the year 2018.
Self harm among young women up 70%.
Life expectancy down 3 years.
NHS satisfaction level at lowest recorded rate.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
Zero starter homes built, despite Tory flagship programme.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
One million families on council home waiting list.
100,000 increase on the council home waiting list since 2010.
36,000 teachers have left the profession.

Genuinely curious to see the Tory list of achievements in 9 years. This is shameful.

 

[Tramps_mate]

Genuinely curious to see the Tory list of achievements in 9 years. This is shameful.

It's a disgrace. Obviously not all things were avoidable. But Jesus Christ. It's shocking statistics. I'm genuinely worried that the Tory's will win again.

I'm not pro Corbyn, or anybody in particular. I'm definitely anti Tory though.

 

[abelard]

We really are screwed if the Tory's win again...

2010-2019, in case you missed it...

1,000 sure start centres closed.
780 libraries closed.
700 football pitches closed.
Food bank use up 2,400%.
Homelessness up 1,000%.
Rough sleeping up 1,200%
Bedroom tax caused mass evictions.
Evictions are running at record highs.
35% of U.K. kids live in poverty.
Student fees up 300%.
Student debt has risen 150%.
Eradication of EMA (education maintenance allowance).
National debt has risen from £850billion to £2.25trillion.
Emergency Brexit stimulus from BoE in June 2016 of £175b.
Brexit related fall in national revenue £500b.
GDP fallen to -0.1%.
GBP fallen by circa 15% versus EUR and USD.
Manufacturing in recession.
Construction in recession.
Services close to recession.
25-30% cuts to all govt departments.
25-30% cuts to all councils, mainly centred on Labour councils.
Half of councils facing effective bankruptcy.
185k extra deaths attached to the political ideology of austerity.
25,000 less police.
20,000 less prison officers.
10,000 less border officials.
10,000 less firefighters.
10,000 less medical professionals.
25,000 less bed spaces for mental illness.
OECD calculate 3 million hidden unemployed, rate is really 13%.
Creation of 1.3m jobs, mainly temporary, self employed, gig economy and ZHC.
Only 30k full time work positions created.
Close on 50% of workers are self employed, ZHC, or part time precariat.
80% of the 5.3 million self employed live below the poverty line.
35% of self employed only earn £100 a month.
25% cuts for our disabled community.
80% cuts to Mobility allowance.
Closing Remploy.
40% of working households have practically no savings.
70% of households have less than 10k savings.
60% of households can only survive 2 months without a wage.
Household debt reaches new peak, despite emergency base rates.
Increase of 50% in hate crimes.
Increase of knife crime by 150% to 22,000 per year.
Increase in teenage suicide by 70%.
Suicide up 12% in the year 2018.
Self harm among young women up 70%.
Life expectancy down 3 years.
NHS satisfaction level at lowest recorded rate.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
Zero starter homes built, despite Tory flagship programme.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
One million families on council home waiting list.
100,000 increase on the council home waiting list since 2010.
36,000 teachers have left the profession.

Nothing a little vegetables won't fix

 

[davek]

TBF we don't want it to collapse, just in Labour held and Labour target seats. The LD vote should be piled on in every Tory-LD marginal.

Tactical voting: I expect it on a mass scale.

 

[Minimeister]

We really are screwed if the Tory's win again...

2010-2019, in case you missed it...

1,000 sure start centres closed.
780 libraries closed.
700 football pitches closed.
Food bank use up 2,400%.
Homelessness up 1,000%.
Rough sleeping up 1,200%
Bedroom tax caused mass evictions.
Evictions are running at record highs.
35% of U.K. kids live in poverty.
Student fees up 300%.
Student debt has risen 150%.
Eradication of EMA (education maintenance allowance).
National debt has risen from £850billion to £2.25trillion.
Emergency Brexit stimulus from BoE in June 2016 of £175b.
Brexit related fall in national revenue £500b.
GDP fallen to -0.1%.
GBP fallen by circa 15% versus EUR and USD.
Manufacturing in recession.
Construction in recession.
Services close to recession.
25-30% cuts to all govt departments.
25-30% cuts to all councils, mainly centred on Labour councils.
Half of councils facing effective bankruptcy.
185k extra deaths attached to the political ideology of austerity.
25,000 less police.
20,000 less prison officers.
10,000 less border officials.
10,000 less firefighters.
10,000 less medical professionals.
25,000 less bed spaces for mental illness.
OECD calculate 3 million hidden unemployed, rate is really 13%.
Creation of 1.3m jobs, mainly temporary, self employed, gig economy and ZHC.
Only 30k full time work positions created.
Close on 50% of workers are self employed, ZHC, or part time precariat.
80% of the 5.3 million self employed live below the poverty line.
35% of self employed only earn £100 a month.
25% cuts for our disabled community.
80% cuts to Mobility allowance.
Closing Remploy.
40% of working households have practically no savings.
70% of households have less than 10k savings.
60% of households can only survive 2 months without a wage.
Household debt reaches new peak, despite emergency base rates.
Increase of 50% in hate crimes.
Increase of knife crime by 150% to 22,000 per year.
Increase in teenage suicide by 70%.
Suicide up 12% in the year 2018.
Self harm among young women up 70%.
Life expectancy down 3 years.
NHS satisfaction level at lowest recorded rate.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
Zero starter homes built, despite Tory flagship programme.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
One million families on council home waiting list.
100,000 increase on the council home waiting list since 2010.
36,000 teachers have left the profession.

When people go on about the media, it's not just how they portray Corbyn, it's the fact that any party can be in charge for so long yet never be challenged about their record in office. That's the biggest media led farce that the sheep fall for.

 

[Number_25]

Hope.

 

[Connor]

Hope.

Hung parliament territory.

Come on the lads.

 

[Number_25]

Hung parliament territory.

Come on the lads.

If we somehow manage to get a hung parliament from this - make absolutely no mistake about it - it would have been the greatest post-NHS achievement the British left has made.

 

[tsubaki]

If we somehow manage to get a hung parliament from this - make absolutely no mistake about it - it would have been the greatest post-NHS achievement the British left has made.

TBF that would like being the best football team in the North-East