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[Blues Harp]

 

[abelard]

The tool forgot to say, "let's get Brexit done" ; a round of applause would surely have followed.

Sounds eerily familiar...

 

[zzr45]

Constant media negativity surrounding Brussels? Chance to stick two fingers up at the establishment? Feeling left behind by neo liberal policies which they don´t think have benefited them?

The thing is, whatever happens in this election, the Labour Party isn´t changing so sit back and enjoy the ride.

So why didn’t Labour actually establish this wasn’t a chance to stick two fingers up at the establishment? Why wasn’t it made clear that these neo liberal policies like workers rights and expanded trading opportunities helped them?

Stop making excuses. This is an absolute shambles of a party that have played their part in the nonsense this decade has delivered. If they don’t change course we are even more bollocksed.

 

[roydo]

So why didn’t Labour actually establish this wasn’t a chance to stick two fingers up at the establishment? Why wasn’t it made clear that these neo liberal policies like workers rights and expanded trading opportunities helped them?

Stop making excuses. This is an absolute shambles of a party that have played their part in the nonsense this decade has delivered. If they don’t change course we are even more bollocksed.

They, as in the enablers in the LP, cant, or wont see that these policies, whilst worthy and fair and such like, just dont correspond to enough folk who do not experience the tale they tell.

Instead, they say they are wrong, or immoral, or scum.

Said it before, it is easy to play your gallery, a bit harder to insist your new album is better than your best ones.

 

[Blues Harp]

They, as in the enablers in the LP, cant, or wont see that these policies, whilst worthy and fair and such like, just dont correspond to enough folk who do not experience the tale they tell.

Instead, they say they are wrong, or immoral, or scum.

Said it before, it is easy to play your gallery, a bit harder to insist your new album is better than your best ones.

Sorry Roydo what does that mean?

 

[davek]

Two polls out tonight: one showing a cut in the Tory lead from 10% to 7%; the other showing just a 6% lead for the Tories.

Another 3 or 4 polls later on tonight to come.*

I think we're beginning to see the LD vote crumble and Labour will be around 37% or 38% by Thursday.

I also think the more Johnson is on tv the greater disgust with him. I can see why his elction handlers have minimized his time with interviewers, he;'s appallingly bad and comes across like the untrustworthy liar he is.


* I'll continue to ignore the yougov one; as I have always maintained it is a corrupt organisation IMO.

 

[dannyboy]

So why didn’t Labour actually establish this wasn’t a chance to stick two fingers up at the establishment? Why wasn’t it made clear that these neo liberal policies like workers rights and expanded trading opportunities helped them?

Stop making excuses. This is an absolute shambles of a party that have played their part in the nonsense this decade has delivered. If they don’t change course we are even more bollocksed.

Brexit was a very complex issue and the wheels for it had been set in motion long before Jeremy Corbyn became leader. By the time campaigning began for the referendum, they had about 2 months to fight back against 20 years of vitriol that had been brewing.

We have the Lib Dems. Surely they fulfill your need for a political home and to save us all from being bollocksed?

 

[roydo]

Sorry Roydo what does that mean?

It means that, to my eyes anyrate, that the chaos and destruction, 130000 deaths down to cuts and stuff, that is portrayed by Labour is not actually experienced, evidenced, or believed by the very people they need to get a vote from.

Their message is unremitting gloom throughout the country. To most, it isnt. And the solutions to these issues, (cos they are actual issues), seem bonkers.

Its annoying, cos like anyone sane, I dont trust Johnson an inch. But as a viewer/floater, at the very least, he is upbeat and positive about the UK. Corbyn just does it down by painting a picture I dont actually see.

 

[Connor]

Merseyside's shame.

 

[zzr45]

They, as in the enablers in the LP, cant, or wont see that these policies, whilst worthy and fair and such like, just dont correspond to enough folk who do not experience the tale they tell.

Instead, they say they are wrong, or immoral, or scum.

Said it before, it is easy to play your gallery, a bit harder to insist your new album is better than your best ones.

The problem is that the ‘solutions’ aren’t actually that amazing - it’s just spend more money.

There was a woman on R4 the other day talking about the rough sleeping issue. The easiest thing to do is open more shelters by throwing money at them.

Something more radical would be looking at the benefits of MDMA therapy which has had extraordinary success rates of treatment for PTSD. But it’s a bit risky so it’s easier just to throw money at issues.

Instead, we keep getting this ‘us vs them’ narrative, which as you say isn’t what most people actually experience.

 

[dannyboy]

It means that, to my eyes anyrate, that the chaos and destruction, 130000 deaths down to cuts and stuff, that is portrayed by Labour is not actually experienced, evidenced, or believed by the very people they need to get a vote from.

Their message is unremitting gloom throughout the country. To most, it isnt. And the solutions to these issues, (cos they are actual issues), seem bonkers.

Its annoying, cos like anyone sane, I dont trust Johnson an inch. But as a viewer/floater, at the very least, he is upbeat and positive about the UK. Corbyn just does it down by painting a picture I dont actually see.

Classic case of it isn´t happening to you so it mustn´t be happening at all.



Did you watch this the other night? Do you not shudder at food bank use? It seems like you will only sit up and take notice when it directly impacts upon you.

 

[davek]

Merseyside's shame.

The LDs need to show some backbone and get the tactical voting heads on.

 

[Alan Whittle]

Merseyside's shame.

Read today that the Tory candidate for Liverpool Walton spends "one day in seven" in the constituency (getting laughed at and pelted) and the remaining time helping out in Southport "a marginal".

 

[Connor]

Read today that the Tory candidate for Liverpool Walton spends "one day in seven" in the constituency (getting laughed at and pelted) and the remaining time helping out in Southport "a marginal".

Wouldn't shock me.

Got about as much chance of winning Walton as we have winning the league.

 

[zzr45]

Brexit was a very complex issue and the wheels for it had been set in motion long before Jeremy Corbyn became leader. By the time campaigning began for the referendum, they had about 2 months to fight back against 20 years of vitriol that had been brewing.

We have the Lib Dems. Surely they fulfill your need for a political home and to save us all from being bollocksed?

Well hang on, Brexit is suddenly this hugely complex issue that goes back decades when you need it to be, rather than ‘serfs’ to use Dave’s language because it’s been suggested Labour could do more? People wanting Brexit is painted as this politically illiterate viewpoint apart from when it can be used as an excuse for Labour not doing enough.