Current Affairs The General Election

Voting Intentions

  • Labour

    Votes: 209 61.1%
  • Tories

    Votes: 30 8.8%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 20 5.8%
  • Brexit Gubbins

    Votes: 8 2.3%
  • Greens

    Votes: 8 2.3%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Change UK, if that's their current moniker

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • DUP

    Votes: 3 0.9%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 2.6%
  • Alliance

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • SDLP

    Votes: 2 0.6%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • Some fringe party with a catchy name

    Votes: 7 2.0%
  • A plague on all your houses

    Votes: 32 9.4%

  • Total voters
    342
  • Poll closed .
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One for the pollsters on here:

Is history about to repeat itself? With less than a week to go until Britain’s third general election in five years, the Conservatives have failed to confront any of the shortcomings that led to them losing their majority in 2017. Their manifesto offered nothing new in terms of policy for young people or remain voters – two key groups who voted overwhelmingly against the Conservatives in 2017. Boris Johnson’s campaign has instead focused on winning the support of leave voters, attempting to avoid making any new promises and relentlessly criticising Jeremy Corbyn.
At first glance, this strategy would appear to be working: in the fourth week of the election campaign, the Conservatives were 10 points ahead of Labour on average in the polls, and on a universal swing would have won a majority of 46 seats. But beneath the headline figures in the polls, the numbers tell a story that should leave the Conservatives deeply worried.
In 2017, there were three main factors that scuppered the Conservatives’ hopes of winning an overall majority: a surge in support for the Labour party in the polls; a massive increase in youth turnout and support for Labour among young people; and remain voters swinging their support behind Labour as the most viable alternative to the Conservatives. All of these things are now happening again.
Labour’s vote share in polls has dramatically increased over the past few weeks. Whereas the Conservatives have lagged behind their 2017 performance (averaging 43% in polls last week, compared to 46% in the fourth week of the 2017 campaign), Labour has surged in the polls. Having averaged just 23% in polls in the week of 21-27 October, Labour is now averaging 33%, an increase of 10 percentage points in just a few short weeks; this is the same level of support that Labour had in the fourth week of the 2017 campaign.
A major reason for this has been the party’s success in attracting the support of people who voted remain in 2016. In the week of 21-27 October, Labour was winning the support of just 34% of remainers on average; the Liberal Democrats, meanwhile, were averaging 33%. Last week, however, Labour was averaging 48% with remain voters (+14), while the Lib Dems were averaging just 23% (-10).

Labour has also increased its support among leave voters by five points (rising from 11% to 16%), but its support among remain voters has been far more significant. Virtually all of its gains among remainers have come from the Liberal Democrats, who have completely collapsed; having averaged 21% of the vote in the week of 16-22 September (2 points behind Labour), Jo Swinson’s party is now averaging just 13% in polls – 20 points behind the Labour party.
As in 2017, turnout among young people – and youth support for Labour – is likely to grow. In 2017, between the date that parliament voted for an election (19 April) and the final date of being able to register to vote (22 May), 1.9 million people aged under 35 registered to vote; over the same time period in 2019, 2.7 million people younger than 35 registered to vote – a 40% increase. Among voters younger than 25, registration rose by an even greater margin, increasing from 993,321 in 2017 to 1.5 million in 2019 – an increase of 47%.

Meanwhile, polls – which find it notoriously difficult to predict turnout – suggest that young people have become more and more likely to vote as the campaign has continued. In the week of 21-27 October, polls suggested that just 38% of 18- to 24-year-olds were certain to vote; by the week of 25 November-1 December, this had risen to 59% (+21). Labour’s support among young people, meanwhile, has increased enormously: whereas in the week of 21-27 October, Labour’s support among young people was just 39%, last week it was 55% (+16). This has largely been at the expense of the Lib Dems (-5 points) and Greens (-9 points).
In short, the idea that this election is a foregone conclusion is as incorrect as it was in 2017. Labour has made significant gains in the polls over the past few weeks, and the events of 2017 are largely being repeated. The Corbyn surge, the “youthquake”, the collapse in support for minor parties and the enthusiasm among Labour supporters – all these things occurred in 2017, and have occurred again. A slight error in the polls – such as the kind that occurred in 2015, 2016 and 2017 – could see Corbyn enter No 10.

If the Conservatives win an overall majority on 12 December, they will become the first government to increase their seat total when seeking a fourth term in office since the 19th century. Such a phenomenal task would require them to expand their support beyond the overwhelmingly pro-leave voters that enabled the Conservatives to win 42% of the vote in 2017. There are no signs, so far, that they have done so.
As John Curtice was saying last night, the Tory Party have squeezed the BXT Party all they can and wont get higher than 42%-43% of the vote; the LP have steadily been squeezing all the Remain vote and they've deserted the LDs for Labour...and there's still more to come to the LP from that direction in the next week.

I can see Labour on a 37%-38% of the vote as the LD vote collapses completely...and that is hung parliament territory - which I've maintained will be the outcome for months.
 
As John Curtice was saying last night, the Tory Party have squeezed the BXT Party all they can and wont get higher than 42%-43% of the vote; the LP have steadily been squeezing all the Remain vote and they've deserted the LDs for Labour...and there's still more to come to the LP from that direction in the next week.

I can see Labour on a 37%-38% of the vote as the LD vote collapses completely...and that is hung parliament territory - which I've maintained will be the outcome for months.

really hope you are right dave
 
As John Curtice was saying last night, the Tory Party have squeezed the BXT Party all they can and wont get higher than 42%-43% of the vote; the LP have steadily been squeezing all the Remain vote and they've deserted the LDs for Labour...and there's still more to come to the LP from that direction in the next week.

I can see Labour on a 37%-38% of the vote as the LD vote collapses completely...and that is hung parliament territory - which I've maintained will be the outcome for months.
Hurrah!
 
There's thousands...tens of thousands....hundreds of thousands. I've always believed the British are the most serf-like people in Europe. I mean, this feller Johnson is completely unbelievable - a known liar and a racist and overtly class-ridden, but because he's from the elite the serfs hear their masters voice and start salivating like Pavlov's dog.
There is some truth to this I think. Centuries of cultural conditioning and a numerous and powerful bourgeois class are to blame.
Norway, for example, never really had a landed gentry or strong upper class, partly due to geography and being a colony of Denmark and Sweden for centuries. Now it is one of the highest rates of income distribution in the world. We’re still stuck in the the 1900s.
 
There is some truth to this I think. Centuries of cultural conditioning and a numerous and powerful bourgeois class are to blame.
Norway, for example, never really had a landed gentry or strong upper class, partly due to geography and being a colony of Denmark and Sweden for centuries. Now it is one of the highest rates of income distribution in the world. We’re still stuck in the the 1900s.
I once wrote an essay on this for my undergrad so am an official authority on the subject
 
As John Curtice was saying last night, the Tory Party have squeezed the BXT Party all they can and wont get higher than 42%-43% of the vote; the LP have steadily been squeezing all the Remain vote and they've deserted the LDs for Labour...and there's still more to come to the LP from that direction in the next week.

I can see Labour on a 37%-38% of the vote as the LD vote collapses completely...and that is hung parliament territory - which I've maintained will be the outcome for months.

I thought 2017 was an illustration that Corbyn is on the march? Now you're happy with a second glorious defeat.
 
Can’t see Corbyn making any gains and therefore can’t see him being leader in a months time. Be interesting to see who they go for next. Going to be a grim time for the left.

Wasn't the whole "look at how many votes we got" narrative from last time clouded by the fact that many of those votes were concentrated in places like Liverpool, where stonking victories were won, but not spread out in the kind of way you need to win elections?
 
Can’t see Corbyn making any gains and therefore can’t see him being leader in a months time. Be interesting to see who they go for next. Going to be a grim time for the left.

If Johnson does win, it is going to be a grim time for the country never mind the left.

Hopefully for Labour it will result in finishing off what electing Corbyn in 2015 started, expanding local parties, involving more people in the process and getting better candidates who are actually connected to the constituencies rather than parachuted in folk who have other loyalties. They'll need to do this because if the Tories win the next few years are going to be filled with little tweaks to democracy with the aim of keeping them in power irrespective of the reaction to what they will have done to the country.

Wasn't the whole "look at how many votes we got" narrative from last time clouded by the fact that many of those votes were concentrated in places like Liverpool, where stonking victories were won, but not spread out in the kind of way you need to win elections?

Not really - Labour did capture more than a few seats that it never used to hold, and Corbyn did get people out who did not use to vote Labour (or vote anyone).
 
really hope you are right dave
Well, it's the only recent pattern of movement there's been for two weeks now: the Tories are stagnant, Labour are edging forward. The smart money has to be on the LD vote collapsing in the final week as they realsie that Johnson is going to get in and take us out on a no deal Brexit.

Labour to close the gap by 3/4 points this week, IMO.
 
If Johnson does win, it is going to be a grim time for the country never mind the left.

Hopefully for Labour it will result in finishing off what electing Corbyn in 2015 started, expanding local parties, involving more people in the process and getting better candidates who are actually connected to the constituencies rather than parachuted in folk who have other loyalties. They'll need to do this because if the Tories win the next few years are going to be filled with little tweaks to democracy with the aim of keeping them in power irrespective of the reaction to what they will have done to the country.



Not really - Labour did capture more than a few seats that it never used to hold, and Corbyn did get people out who did not use to vote Labour (or vote anyone).
It won’t be grim for everyone though. Your middle England brexit voter will be happy with ‘good old Boris sticking it to those unelected bureaucrats’ The Tory vote won’t collapse in the next 5 years.
In my opinion, financially, many people won’t notice significant differences. The people that will be most affected will once again be those at the very bottom who generally don’t vote (in my experience) and who most people don’t even care about.
 
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