Current Affairs The General Election

[catcherintherye]

Does anyone know what happens if two candidates tie for first place in a seat under FPP rules....each having the exact same number of votes?

Coin toss.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Is that what the sourdough reader tells the fabled centre ground these days.

I'm a married man, please stop flirting with me.

 

[Joey66]

Democratically elected ones. But because they weren't doing what you wanted you didn't accept it.

They weren't doing what their constituents wanted either......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Twitter bans all political ads - and gets an instant response from Donald Trump

The company's boss says he is not trying to stifle free speech but adds that the current system has to end to protect democracy.

news.sky.com

Interesting.

I didn't think the Kremlin were taking out adverts? There was a court case in South Korea a few years ago about using Twitter to manipulate the discourse, and it largely involved a whole bunch of fake accounts (as in people creating fake accounts). Throw in the bot accounts and surely that's more of a factor than a paid ad?

 

[Xizor]

They weren't doing what their constituents wanted either......

They don't have to.

Oh look, another Leaver who doesn't understand how our democracy works.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

So when services are cut (as they have been over the past 10 years) who has predominately paid the price? It's the same argument in reverse. The only difference is wealthier people have a little bit less money (or their level of increase in wealth slows a bit) or people die on the other.

Whats morally right to me is that we don't have children living in abject poverty having had their standards of livings plundered to pay for the top 5% wealth to increase to increase substantially. To me we need a fair tax system, where everyone pays their fair share. As it happens it will mean my taxes probably do go up. At times to pay for things I'll never use. However it's morally the right thing to do.

How has someone in abject poverty contributed to the wealth of Mark Zuckerberg or Jeff Bezos? You could argue that those people don't pay enough tax, and that tax would have found it's way to the poor person in the end via welfare, but it was still Zuckerberg's to begin with, so no one has paid them extra for anything, surely?

 

[Tubey]

They weren't doing what their constituents wanted either......

Their constituents elected them in 2017, after the referendum.

Which, once more, demonstrated you don't respect democracy unless it goes your way.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

They weren't doing what their constituents wanted either......

The DUP didn’t represent the majority vote Joey yet they propped up the Brexit vote. Comments?

 

[catcherintherye]

How has someone in abject poverty contributed to the wealth of Mark Zuckerberg or Jeff Bezos? You could argue that those people don't pay enough tax, and that tax would have found it's way to the poor person in the end via welfare, but it was still Zuckerberg's to begin with, so no one has paid them extra for anything, surely?

Well they may be working in one of his warehouses ensuring his products could be sold for profit. However in all seriousness I'm not sure it's so simplistic to look at it that way.

However the decision taken by the government to cut taxes and subsequently services/wages/benefits has seen poorer people have less money while wealthy people have gained more money.

Morally, but also economically I think we have reached a point where that cannot be justified. It's having enormous consequences for our country and we need a better balance.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Well they may be working in one of his warehouses ensuring his products could be sold for profit. However in all seriousness I'm not sure it's so simplistic to look at it that way.

However the decision taken by the government to cut taxes and subsequently services/wages/benefits has seen poorer people have less money while wealthy people have gained more money.

Morally, but also economically I think we have reached a point where that cannot be justified. It's having enormous consequences for our country and we need a better balance.

According to Indeed, an Amazon warehouse packer gets £8.99 an hour, which is (apparently) 11% above the national average (presumably for similar jobs). I'm not sure what taxes have been cut for them, but they do appear to pay lower than the standard corporation tax, which would seem to be more a case of collecting what should be collected, unless incentives have been provided to base a facility somewhere (as in the beauty parade for the 2nd HQ in the US). Not sure really what you mean with wages seeing poorer people have less money as they seem to pay not only above the minimum wage but above the industry standard wage.

As for Facebook and the other tech giants, you'd imagine that most of their employees in the UK are developers and other pretty well paid people.

 

[tsubaki]

According to Indeed, an Amazon warehouse packer gets £8.99 an hour, which is (apparently) 11% above the national average (presumably for similar jobs). I'm not sure what taxes have been cut for them, but they do appear to pay lower than the standard corporation tax, which would seem to be more a case of collecting what should be collected, unless incentives have been provided to base a facility somewhere (as in the beauty parade for the 2nd HQ in the US). Not sure really what you mean with wages seeing poorer people have less money as they seem to pay not only above the minimum wage but above the industry standard wage.

As for Facebook and the other tech giants, you'd imagine that most of their employees in the UK are developers and other pretty well paid people.

The point with Amazon (especially), Google and Facebook though is that the rise of those businesses have negatively affected (to the point of destruction) a load of other businesses, who do not enjoy the influence, tax advantages or nebulous legal status that the tech giants do.

Take Facebook or Twitter for example. If I went on the Guardian's Comment is Free site and posted legally defamatory material on it, me and the Guardian could get sued. If I posted legally defamatory material here, me and GoT could get sued. If I posted legally defamatory material on Twitter, only I can get sued. This is despite all three of those media giants doing the same sort of things - reporting news, inviting comments, selling adverts, publishing material.

 

[Joey66]

The DUP didn’t represent the majority vote Joey yet they propped up the Brexit vote. Comments?

Out of 650 MPs nearly 500 MPs voted for article 50 to leave the EU through many years later Brexitirs of any form was not carried out ......

 

[Joey66]

Their constituents elected them in 2017, after the referendum.

Which, once more, demonstrated you don't respect democracy unless it goes your way.

Your a joke......both main parrties with 80 percent of the vote had manefesto,s of the 2017 stated they would carry out Brexit..

 

[Tubey]

Your a joke......both main parrties with 80 percent of the vote had manefesto,s of the 2017 stated they would carry out Brexit..

And they've tried to do so, but haven't found a way to do it that the majority in parliament can get behind. We elect constituents, who belong to political parties second and are asked to form a government if their party have a majority - but first and foremost they are constituent MPs.

That's democracy.

And you of all people calling me a joke is laughable. I patiently continue to engage with your nonsense despite you showing no willingness to learn anything about the subject matter, to the point of not even knowing the basics of how our democracy works - I'm a "joke" only for persisting if anything.

 

[Walken]

Out of 650 MPs nearly 500 MPs voted for article 50 to leave the EU through many years later Brexitirs of any form was not carried out ......

500 mps did not vote to leave the EU in the brexit referendum