Current Affairs The General Election

[Bruce Wayne]

So you would rather vote for a party that actually caused Brexit, which you're so opposed too? That does sound a bit bizarre to be fair.

That's kind of the point many have been making all along, as there are clearly many potential Labour voters who would happily give them their vote if only they weren't being so radical. Neither Labour or their ardent supporters seem to get that. You're instead just relying on Labour being the lesser of two evils, which is a bit crap tbh.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Complete car crash

In the inexorable slag heap of the main parties twaddle, it's always nice to be reminded that it could always be worse, because sometimes it barely seems possible

 

[Bruce Wayne]

s-lag is a banned word. It's political correctness gone mad I tell you Not least when commenting on a video where the woman quite blatantly models herself on a Catherine Tate character. Sad times.

 

[Amw79]

That's kind of the point many have been making all along, as there are clearly many potential Labour voters who would happily give them their vote if only they weren't being so radical. Neither Labour or their ardent supporters seem to get that. You're instead just relying on Labour being the lesser of two evils, which is a bit crap tbh.

This may be a bit crap, but it’s the reality of the situation in our electoral system.

I’m no big Corbyn fan, and disagree with him on plenty of things, but we’re never gonna agree 100% with any political party, leader or manifesto.

But if the only choice you’ve got is to lose one leg or lose both, as crap a choice as that is, there’s still a preferable option.

 

[bol-uk]

"I hate the Tory manifesto but I couldn't vote for Corbyn as I believe his increasing state involvement in enterprise to levels last seen during the production push of WW2 would be equally disastrous" is where I'm coming from.

But its not really my problem, so as you were folks.

So you are happy to continue as we are then?

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

So you are happy to continue as we are then?

No... That's not what I said. Is thinking that both are terrible options for different reasons allowed?

 

[bol-uk]

Its not bizarre. Just cos you dont like the Tories. Nor do I really. Its just that like folk were duped about unicorns in the brexit nonsense, many are being duped by the idiocy of what he now says.

I read the manifesto, and was a bit "ok, sounds ok",but since then he has lobbed £60 billion at a few women of a certain age, promised to cut rail fares to the price of a grape, and sorry, it is just fantasy.

His endless trashing of the NHS just does my nut as well.

I'd rather take a chance on policy that stops food banks and child poverty than continue with what we have now. The amount of people that just seem ambivalent to the current plight of millions of genuinely hard up, struggling families is incredible. Burying your heads in the sand

Why would anyone be willing to carry on as we are?

 

[bol-uk]

No... That's not what I said. Is thinking that both are terrible options for different reasons allowed?

So you will vote labour/Tory even though you have an issue with some of their key pledges and their leader?

 

[abelard]

Is thinking that both are terrible options for different reasons allowed?

If you think people disagreeing with you is the same as being silenced or persecuted, you're probably a centrist

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

I'd rather take a chance on policy that stops food banks and child poverty than continue with what we have now. The amount of people that just seem ambivalent to the current plight of millions of genuinely hard up, struggling families is incredible. Burying your heads in the sand

Why would anyone be willing to carry on as we are?

Ok, so what if the policy of ending child poverty and stopping people relying on food banks is immediately effective but this policy, in combination with others, is implemented in a short termist manner that causes another recession three years down the line and we're right back to square one?

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

So you will vote labour/Tory even though you have an issue with some of their key pledges and their leader?

Nope, I don't have a vote in the UK so, as I said, none of my business anymore.

If you think people disagreeing with you is the same as being silenced or persecuted, you're probably a centrist

When did I say this? I said in my original post on the matter that I hate the Tory manifesto and the Labour manifesto. I even wrote a nice conciliatory post yesterday about looking at things from others point of view. What I was rejecting was the binary notion of supporting one or the other regardless of any of the detail.

And when did being a centrist become an insult? It seems to me that across Europe and the wider world people are retreating the fringes of tribalism and just yelling at each other and namecalling rather than engaging with those they disagree with and seeing what we have in common. It doesn't seem to be making us any happier or more prosperous either.

 

[abelard]

When did I say this?

In the post I quoted.

It's a description, not an insult. Although the fact you assumed it was the latter demonstrates my initial point...

It doesn't seem to be making us any happier or more prosperous either.

Neither is the 'centrist' consensus, which is why alternatives have re-emerged.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

In the post I quoted.

It's a description, not an insult.

Ok, I was being glib rather than accusing @bol-uk of silencing or persecuting me. It was bemoaning the death of nuance.

 

[bol-uk]

Ok, so what if the policy of ending child poverty and stopping people relying on food banks is immediately effective but this policy, in combination with others, is implemented in a short termist manner that causes another recession three years down the line and we're right back to square one?

But that is hypothetical,meanwhile people are starving and homeless while our services are being run into the ground. Ask any teacher, nurse, copper or careworker and they will all tell you that we cannot carry on as is. However, you will ignore this and maintain the current, bent regime because labour MIGHT create an issue further down the line whilst they at least attempt to level the playing field.

Let's just hope none of us fall on hard times and need universal credit or long term health care in the near future.

 

[abelard]

Ok, I was being glib rather than accusing @bol-uk of silencing or persecuting me. It was bemoaning the death of nuance.

Supporting one political party and not any of the others does not equate to a lack of nuance.