Current Affairs The General Election

[dannyboy]

Can we have a proper debate without a load of party activists in the audience please.

Like an SNP Conference this lol

 

[Connor]

Not a massive fan of this like others, but strong finish from Corbyn.

 

[dannyboy]

Agreed.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

 

[roydo]

Why is Sturgeon there? Like she aint even standing. Should have the Westminster leader of the SNP I would have thought.

 

[Seanjd]

Why is Sturgeon there? Like she aint even standing. Should have the Westminster leader of the SNP I would have thought.

cause she’s their mouthpiece. And is boss at it.

 

[Connor]

Why is Sturgeon there?

Well, she leads a bigger party than Jo Swinson

 

[roydo]

cause she’s their mouthpiece. And is boss at it.

She is very good. Not doubting that. Just not sure why someone who isnt standing in the election is there. Might as well be me.

 

[roydo]

Well, she leads a bigger party than Jo Swinson

Well yeah. But she isnt standing.

 

[catcherintherye]

No idea on the others involved but that manifesto (ive just seen snippets) is really quite comical.

For Abbot, surely its not racism/sexism why shes being publicised in videos making enormous errors over and over again? Surely its because shes not very good at her job? Didnt know she was a solicitor, mind blown...worried if she was mine and she cant remember numbers or make a rational argument (based on the videos).

Disagree about the corporate side...in Singapore they run the country as a business. If UK goes out of the EU then Singapore should be copied...tax advantages for IT firms and progressive firms now were in the 4th industrial revolution.

Just cant understand why anyone would want services to be state owned...it makes no sense to me?

Whats your view?



That was your take away from the video?

Not that the labour guy was that as hes making over £80k hes on 45% tax. In fact if you make £125k+ 50% goes in tax.

All of these state owned dreams of Corbyn rely on taxing the top 5%.

What happens if alot of the top 5% relocate to Italy, Spain or Portugal (all offering tax free or low tax for expats)...

3 things happen

1: The money isnt there for Corbyn so he has to increase tax for others below

2: The economy shrinks because assets (people) leave the country bringing and spending their money overseas.

3: £80k 50% tax ? Who would want to move there...so you also lose overseas workers at the top level.


Its totally daft.



I think they should have a landslide victory.

Re Abbot I sense there's both things at play really. She's not very good at remembering figures (which is essentially a key component of modern interview techniques) but it's always curious to me the double standards at play. Johnson has made all sorts of blunders but it gets frames differently, in a joking manner. I wouldn't have her doing media interviews, but in fairness she has had a successful career outside of politics (far more so than Mcdonnell or Corbyn).

In relation to Singapore, I suppose there are enormous cultural difference and the population size of what, 5 million makes a big difference too. The UK will always have to be a bit more diverse. The Chinese work ethic is quite different too and they have had a very different system to ours over the last 50-60 years.

I am not against innovation though. A big problem in this country is that the liberalisation from what I can see just leads to cronyism. We need to be far more entrepreneurial, but that gets translated in this country and cushy deals for people you went to school with, as opposed to genuinely dynamic changes in key areas (particularly in terms of Green technologies).

In terms of the state V private ownership and why you'd want either. It's difficult to say. I am not necessarily a massive fan of state ownership, but the privatisation model has been pretty horrendous here. Southern Rail are just appalling, yet year after year they get contracts renewed and there seems no democratic comeback that could surely happen with government control (IE you can at least change the government). Thats one advantage for me anyway, with government control comes a degree of accountability and control to the mass of people, rather than to the narrow interests of their shareholders (though they could clash).

What you want to see, I would say is the two sectors working together. I've worked in both sectors and see advantages to each. Certainly from the Conservatives I've never really felt they get that balance between how the two can help one another particularly adeptly. This manifesto from Labour looks to me to begin to raise the question about where the state can run things that have been badly run more efficiently and at least give us some democratic control. We can't continue with the cronyism we've had over the last 10 years anyway. It's a shambles that has cost people jobs.

 

[Connor]

Well yeah. But she isnt standing.

But she's still the leader until she isn't – she's playing a different game to Corbyn, Fascist, and Swinson anyway, stepping away or no.

 

[Tubey]

So Corbyn finally says he'd be neutral.

Why he didn't say so on ITV is beyond me. It's a sensible obvious position to take yet he allowed himself to be attacked because he was allergic to providing clarity.

Labour's Brexit position is by far and away the most sensible on offer but the way they've communicated it has been abysmal.

 

[roydo]

So Corbyn finally says he'd be neutral.

Why he didn't say so on ITV is beyond me. It's a sensible obvious position to take yet he allowed himself to be attacked because he was allergic to providing clarity.

Labour's Brexit position is by far and away the most sensible on offer but the way they've communicated it has been abysmal.

But he said that Johnson would be bogged down for years in negotiations but he would wave a wand and all done in 6 months.

Zippo credibility to me.

 

[abelard]

But he said that Johnson would be bogged down for years in negotiations but he would wave a wand and all done in 6 months.

Zippo credibility to me.

The Conservatives want to leave the Customs Union, and Labour does not

 

[Blues Harp]

Well yeah. But she isnt standing.

So?