Current Affairs The General Election

[Charro]

Indeed. A few questions about why the government is selling British citizenship would not go amiss either.

What do you mean by selling citizenship?

 

[tsubaki]

What do you mean by selling citizenship?

The Tier 1 visa system, for which you can get citizenship in six years (and at a minimum cost of £2 million).

 

[davek]

....it’s certainly part of the problem, Corbyn was poor and far from convincing when pressed on Brexit by Andrew Maher this morning. I’m a remainder, but I agree the referendum should be honoured. Labour should’ve gone down the soft Brexit route (remaining in single market, customs union), but they are trying to please everybody by pushing a strategy they hoped would appeal to Labour leaving constituencies (like Lisa Nandy’s Wigan) and remainer MPs.

Saying that, I think it’s far more than Brexit that’s the problem and if Labour don’t realise it, then it’s going to be a long, long time before they become electable.

Conservative Party are currently 1-14 to win this election. Depressing.

It's Brexit pure and simple. There's nothing in the rest of Labour's policies that could alienate its traditional supporters.

Corbyn needed to move fast after the 2017 election to use his standing in the party to push for mass reselections of all sitting Labour MPs. Get the centre right MPs either expelled or under control and then push on with a Brexit plan that their own supporters could accept. The other issue on that though was that the LP membership were determined to move away from Brexit, so Corbyn would have needed to persuade them too.

Corbyn is not the problem here. Far from it. His instincts on Brexit and his policies would have carried this election with a landslide for Labour.

 

[zzr45]

The unemployed and students get free dentistry anyway don't they?

Yes but they have to fill in forms!

 

[Eggs]

It's Brexit pure and simple. There's nothing in the rest of Labour's policies that could alienate its traditional supporters.

Corbyn needed to move fast after the 2017 election to use his standing in the party to push for mass reselections of all sitting Labour MPs. Get the centre right MPs either expelled or under control and then push on with a Brexit plan that their own supporters could accept. The other issue on that though was that the LP membership were determined to move away from Brexit, so Corbyn would have needed to persuade them too.

Corbyn is not the problem here. Far from it. His instincts on Brexit and his policies would have carried this election with a landslide for Labour.

...i fear the Labour Party will be in the wilderness for a long time if it’s members feel the same as you.

 

[davek]

...i fear the Labour Party will be in the wilderness for a long time if it’s members feel the same as you.

You do realise that the LP were placed in the wilderness by the people I'm looking to get shut of? They cratered the LP at the two elections before Corbyn took the party back to challenging again.

Only the destroyers in the LP are to blame for stopping the party from neutralising the Brexit issue. They wanted to do that to see Labour fail in their mistaken belief they can roll back the left's position of dominance in the party post this next election.

If you didn't realise all that, you're very naive.

 

[random]

The unemployed and students get free dentistry anyway don't they?

Depends on the the type of benefits that are being claimed, not all those that are out of work get free dentistry

 

[Blues Harp]

....it’s not in the least bit surprising given how short-sighted and insular Momentum Labour is. Hopefully the polls are wrong, but if this useless and dangerous Tory Party cannot be overturned then it’s difficult to see any future for Labour. Rather than blame the media, the voters and everybody else, they’ll need a root and branch change to their governance and strategy.

They appeal to the few and have to change so that they appeal to the many.

Who do you want as leader then?

 

[summerisle]

The Tory election strategy now getting a bit personal.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Corbyn is not the problem here. Far from it. His instincts on Brexit and his policies would have carried this election with a landslide for Labour.

Not a chance Dave. In 2017 running the same basic Brexit policy of honouring the referendum as the Tories, Corbyn's gains were 30 seats, so they only needed just the near 60 more to win to get a majority.

So I can't see the Brexit position making that much of a difference. Corbyn would never be able to win a landslide as he is bete noire to the constituencies that normally vote Conservative and the same principle applies to Johnson in traditional Labour areas.

 

[Methuselah]

It's Brexit pure and simple. There's nothing in the rest of Labour's policies that could alienate its traditional supporters.

Corbyn needed to move fast after the 2017 election to use his standing in the party to push for mass reselections of all sitting Labour MPs. Get the centre right MPs either expelled or under control and then push on with a Brexit plan that their own supporters could accept. The other issue on that though was that the LP membership were determined to move away from Brexit, so Corbyn would have needed to persuade them too.

Corbyn is not the problem here. Far from it. His instincts on Brexit and his policies would have carried this election with a landslide for Labour.

What are Corbyn's instincts on Brexit? I'm talking about this week, not last week. lol

 

[tsubaki]

Not a chance Dave. In 2017 running the same basic Brexit policy of honouring the referendum as the Tories, Corbyn's gains were 30 seats, so they only needed just the near 60 more to win to get a majority.

So I can't see the Brexit position making that much of a difference. Corbyn would never be able to win a landslide as he is bete noire to the constituencies that normally vote Conservative and the same principle applies to Johnson in traditional Labour areas.

Labour picked up more than a few constituencies that normally vote Tory, though (edit: in 2017).

 

[davek]

Not a chance Dave. In 2017 running the same basic Brexit policy of honouring the referendum as the Tories, Corbyn's gains were 30 seats, so they only needed just the near 60 more to win to get a majority.

So I can't see the Brexit position making that much of a difference. Corbyn would never be able to win a landslide as he is bete noire to the constituencies that normally vote Conservative and the same principle applies to Johnson in traditional Labour areas.

They brought Tory seats to within an ace of turning Labour. Without this Brexit millstone the Labour majority would have happened this time around.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Labour picked up more than a few constituencies that normally vote Tory, though (edit: in 2017).

There is always going to be a few anomalies don't you think? University towns perhaps, a scandal with the incumbent or they have totally lost the plot. May even have a few who were after a true socialist party but haven't had one to choose until now. But this is not as fresh now as it was back in 2017 and I can't see it radically cutting inroads into the base opposition support (& that goes for both parties).

 

[orly]

The Tory election strategy now getting a bit personal.

Copy-pasting unattributed quotes.

Grim.

"One senior Labour source said "I wish @summerisle would stop stealing content with 95% of his posts""