tsubaki
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FWIW they weren't balloted - the union isn't recognized (which also explains why the turnout to the strike was low).
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FWIW they weren't balloted - the union isn't recognized (which also explains why the turnout to the strike was low).
Yes you do wonder how many would be involved if Mcdonalds had the decency to recognise the employees union?
roydo
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Which are both valid points. But the wider context that will be used, with it being an election, is that Corbyn will be portrayed as supporting a strike for a 50% pay rise.
Or at least he has allowed himself to be. The wider electorate could not a give a biscuit about the nuances you both highlight.
dead_soft
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The only metric we really have for measuring this is opinion polls. Since coming out and saying this Labour have gone closer to the Tories. I'm not sure it is making them look that silly
Yes I think thats fair and I agree with that. I also think the electorate will be unaware of the 6% figure or that it's a minority action.
As I said a few pages earlier, Corbyn won just under 13 million votes in 2017 on the back of being called a marxist, wanting to implement full communism in this country (I'm sure we could all agree this is of course utter nonsense). It's a guy who put the most radical overhaul of government policy probably see since 1979 to the electorate and one who added 4 million voters to Labour.
When you look at some of the policies, can we honestly say, supporting striking workers is going to be seen as this mad out of character "gone too far" gesture?
If people like Corbyn, and have voted for him, it's probably going to be because he stands up for workers, wants them to earn more money and is on the side of the ordinary person. I just can't see this being massively problematic for him.
What it will do is incense Conservative voters who will likely never vote for him. Indeed objective analysers of political (which is a small number of people) will also probably conclude £15 p/h is not feasible (on Mcdonalds profits it's not). I just don't think it's a massive problem to people who voted for what we were told was a Communist party at the last election.
I'm not sure if I'm making the point well. I accept there's a debate about right and wrong, to me thats a different debate to how damaging it will be.
I'd also add, if they take Mr £350 million, People versus Parliament, screw business, screw parliament Johnson and choose this as a wedge issue on the basis of it not being feasible, I have my doubts it's going to gain much traction. They've sort of made a rod for their own back.
roydo
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Sake. I said in the context of an election, what he did was silly. As in, it gave sommet to the cross hairs at the Mail et al to train on tomorrow.
He doesnt need to prove himself to folk who will support him anyrate. He needs to pick up votes from those who might.
People vote for Corbyn because he stands up for ordinary people, at times even when it seems illogical.
roydo
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Of course. Show me an election that has been won on detail? Its message. And if your message can be diluted by a candidate doing sommet they dont need to do, why do it? Unless its a stupid thing to do.
It's a fair point Roydo, but I think I give my opinion on why I don't believe it to be massively stupid in the rest of the post.
Andrew Neil giving this boy a proper grilling. Almost difficult to watch
I'm missing it currently, who's being interviewed mate? Neil is brutal.
roydo
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I dont think its stupid to support workers etc etc etc. I think its stupid, IN AN ELECTION, to put yourself in a position that your enemies will gleefully grab to reinforce their "Cant trust Labour on the economy" attack line.
Do you think it's stupid, for a candidate that won 13 million votes on the back of being called a marxist wanting to introduce a communist style economic policy in 2017 to be seen to be supporting striking workers (in an election time)? Might it be people possible this is what attracts voters to him?
As for the government attack line,would you accept a government, that has openly polemicised on people v elites, people v globalists, screw business etc may look somewhat hypocritical if they choose to turn workers protesting against a global big business for better pay?
I understand the principle behind your point, my issue is that within the circumstances we find ourselves I don't foresee it being an enormous difficulty.
Scrapping tuition fees is an utterly ridiculous policy. One of the worst going around.
The current system is fine. And I say that as someone who pays a bit back every month.
You get your loans and it's free at the point of use. You dont even physically hand over any money. Its done by the student loans company. You pay back at a pretty low rate only when you can afford to. It's like 9% of everything over about 18k. Then the residual is written off after 25 years.
It's a graduate tax to all intents and purposes and it's very fair. Why should my parents who did not go to university and have worked hard all their lives pay even more for my privilege.
If anything I think us graduates should possibly be made paid back slightly more. Not the government giving it to us for free.
The current system is fine. And I say that as someone who pays a bit back every month.
You get your loans and it's free at the point of use. You dont even physically hand over any money. Its done by the student loans company. You pay back at a pretty low rate only when you can afford to. It's like 9% of everything over about 18k. Then the residual is written off after 25 years.
It's a graduate tax to all intents and purposes and it's very fair. Why should my parents who did not go to university and have worked hard all their lives pay even more for my privilege.
If anything I think us graduates should possibly be made paid back slightly more. Not the government giving it to us for free.
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