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[Charro]

I really can't get my head around this one. People who have worked hard and trained to get a job that pays between 20 and 30k will will be laughing at this. They're alienating a key demographic.

I’m one of those people and I’m not laughing at it.

 

[larrygobfiend]

Have you watched the clip? What do you take issue with what McDonnell has said?

This is the Labour Party. They’re a party for workers and workers rights. This is exactly what we want the Labour Party to do, isn’t it?

Even under Blair, brown and milliband, they would support this. The £15 an hour thing is a red herring, that clearly is never going to happen. There’s more to the strike than that.

Nothing he says here is outlandish in any way and certainly shouldn’t turn people off.

Fair enough, you're probably right, but you can't be ambiguous with stuff like this when there's an election a month away.

 

[orly]

Fair enough, you're probably right, but you can't be ambiguous with stuff like this when there's an election a month away.

At last, someone gets it.

 

[neil999]

Have you watched the clip? What do you take issue with what McDonnell has said?

This is the Labour Party. They’re a party for workers and workers rights. This is exactly what we want the Labour Party to do, isn’t it?

Even under Blair, brown and milliband, they would support this. The £15 an hour thing is a red herring, that clearly is never going to happen. There’s more to the strike than that.

Nothing he says here is outlandish in any way and certainly shouldn’t turn people off.

then why do it? completely overshadowing everything

 

[roydo]

Fair enough, you're probably right, but you can't be ambiguous with stuff like this when there's an election a month away.

Yep. Corbyn supporters can say and think what they like about supporting workers rights all night long, but its an election. The headline strap from the MacStrike was £15 per hour, like it or not, blame who you want. And Corbyn and his deputy have lined up alongside them, ergo, are associated with a frankly ludicrous position.

Those with longer memories will be reminded of such fun and games decades ago.

 

[orchard]

The cba is the very relevant part in my opinion. I know I generally try to leave a decent tip because I know how crap the wages are/were.

I’d tend to disagree, the ‘lower’ end of the market is more dictated by the big boys especially when it comes to things like prices and the going wages - again as you said and catcher alluded to in another post, in this country we prefer low price crap service.

Low price, deffo, with quantity and low quality. Born to serf.

 

[neil999]

Yep. Corbyn supporters can say and think what they like about supporting workers rights all night long, but its an election. The headline strap from the MacStrike was £15 per hour, like it or not, blame who you want. And Corbyn and his deputy have lined up alongside them, ergo, are associated with a frankly ludicrous position.

Those with longer memories will be reminded of such fun and games decades ago.

yep...very similar to stuff in the 80's but i think that was generally to start a debate and crazy ideas like this were put forward...but dont support it when you are trying to get elected!

 

[dead_soft]

I really can't get my head around this one. People who have worked hard and trained to get a job that pays between 20 and 30k will will be laughing at this. They're alienating a key demographic.

Why? Shouldn't they be looking at it and saying they deserve better pay too?

 

[roydo]

Why? Shouldn't they be looking at it and saying they deserve better pay too?

A 50% ish pay rise?

 

[dead_soft]

A 50% ish pay rise?

The percentage is irrelevant. It just highlights how poorly the corporation pays their staff already. People have a right to use the tools at their disposal to demand better and fairer pay.

 

[roydo]

The percentage is irrelevant. It just highlights how poorly the corporation pays their staff already. People have a right to use the tools at their disposal to demand better and fairer pay.

Sure they do. But 6 out of 100 staff protested, asking for a 50% pay rise, which is nuts, and Corbyn supports them.

Make him look stupid if you ask me.

 

[dead_soft]

Sure they do. But 6 out of 100 staff protested, asking for a 50% pay rise, which is nuts, and Corbyn supports them.

Make him look stupid if you ask me.

Again, percentage is irrelevant. Supporting people demanding better working conditions is exactly what I'd expect off the leader of the Labour Party. I'm not sure anyone thinks it makes him look stupid except for a lot of people who say they don't mind but it harms him in the elections. Not a huge fan of Corbyn but all seems a bit of a storm in a teacup

 

[Charro]

Fair enough, you're probably right, but you can't be ambiguous with stuff like this when there's an election a month away.

Yeah, that's fair. It's just a negotiating tactic though, isn't it? I speak from experience in my old place when we nearly went on strike for a pay rise to come in line with the rest of the civil service.

Union asked for a 20% rise to come in with immediate effect, it was eventually negotiated down to a staggered 5% rise over four years. Numbers aren't exact but it was something along those lines, and I imagine this will be similar.

Also, it's only the London branches asking for £15 an hour as far as I'm aware.

 

[roydo]

Again, percentage is irrelevant. Supporting people demanding better working conditions is exactly what I'd expect off the leader of the Labour Party. I'm not sure anyone thinks it makes him look stupid except for a lot of people who say they don't mind but it harms him in the elections. Not a huge fan of Corbyn but all seems a bit of a storm in a teacup

In an election, nothing is irrelevant. Anything and everything is seized on and used against you.

In the context of these few weeks, Corbyn has publicly supported 6 workers for a 50% pay rise. What do you reckon the first question on Today might be?

If he had said that he fully supports the rights of workers to ask for better conditions etc etc etc, but stopped short of supporting the HEADLINE pay demand, then fair enough. No harm done. But he didnt. Which in the context of an election, makes him look stupid.

Witness Johnson going to them floods and asking what he could do, when the locals had already been working miracles. Made him look a right tit.

 

[catcherintherye]

Sure they do. But 6 out of 100 staff protested, asking for a 50% pay rise, which is nuts, and Corbyn supports them.

Make him look stupid if you ask me.

Where is the 6% from mate?