kenada_blue
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We shouldn't have sold Rooney, Pienaar, Arteta etc but we did.
Nature of the beast if we are going to improve.
If not, we stay as we are.
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We shouldn't have sold Rooney, Pienaar, Arteta etc but we did.
Nature of the beast if we are going to improve.
If not, we stay as we are.
Neither of them were the crux of our team when they were sold.
meagher94
Player Valuation: £35m
Just reading in The People that Moyes has apparently been scouting 25 year old Portuguese right back Miguel Lopes who plays for Porto but is on loan at Sporting Braga.
I understand that since its from a newsaper its probably BS, but has anyone ever watched him? Says hes valued at 3 million so I suppose its not too unrealistic.
I understand that since its from a newsaper its probably BS, but has anyone ever watched him? Says hes valued at 3 million so I suppose its not too unrealistic.
kenada_blue
Welcome to Barcelonaton FC
which brings up the point I mentioned that we are now at the bare bones of valuable talent, when in previous years we could live with selling them.
We have squad players to sell, but to get a reasonable budget to improve the team, a big name key player needs selling imo. Thats how we are ran as a club.
If not, we stay as we are and accept mediocrity.
Never heard of him, but an attack minded right back is one of the three positions we need to fill in the squad.
meagher94
Player Valuation: £35m
toffeejack
Player Valuation: £100m
hopefully the spine of our team for a good few years
Duffy
Fellaini
Barkley
Vellios
As well as a very good youth team, we do have a good future, but we need someone at the helm who shares that enthusiasm
not in favour of jags going myself although he hasnt had a great season but hes still an important member. We just need to freshen up a few of the first teamers and get the current oldies on that bench. Cahill will be fine as an impact sub for me and neville can keep his versatality to cover injuries. We need about 3 or 4 good signings ala clyne, rodallega, pienaar, drenthe and we'll be good for next season, with pienaar the only purchase requiring a fee.
Duffy
Fellaini
Barkley
Vellios
As well as a very good youth team, we do have a good future, but we need someone at the helm who shares that enthusiasm
not in favour of jags going myself although he hasnt had a great season but hes still an important member. We just need to freshen up a few of the first teamers and get the current oldies on that bench. Cahill will be fine as an impact sub for me and neville can keep his versatality to cover injuries. We need about 3 or 4 good signings ala clyne, rodallega, pienaar, drenthe and we'll be good for next season, with pienaar the only purchase requiring a fee.
I would go for that as long as our manager (insert name) got 20 of those millions to spend on the areas where quality is required ie both attacking sides and right back, but as these are the same issues we had in 2009 I'm not holding my breath.
Dom1878
Player Valuation: £60m
We need to sign Pienaar and a RB in my opinion, if not a RB then a RM, but for me no RM can really do much if they dont have a quality right back making runs for them.
Sell a few players, Rodwell, Anichebe etc...and try and buy Pienaar, Straq, Jarvis and someone else.
Sell a few players, Rodwell, Anichebe etc...and try and buy Pienaar, Straq, Jarvis and someone else.
Jharding22
Player Valuation: Free Transfer
Need to post to make sure my account didn't get deleted!
In the aftermath of yesterdays game I've been wondering what's definitely wrong with out team and what needs improving immediately. I think the biggest thing is the mentality, in too many draws and losses, we sit back and absorb everything and let the opposition do what they what, we have probably the best center midfielder in the premier league, him being Fellaini. He can't do it on his own though, he need the width and support from our team and we need more aggressive players. When we're drawing we simply switch off and take it, there is no breaking up of the play and there is no distributing the ball. We should use these last few games to experiment.
I think the biggest improvement we could make is buying another center midfielder similar to Lee Carsley, which will allow Fellaini more room to breathe and easily distribute it to the wings or forward. I think N'Zonzi would be a great purchase for next season, he has the potential to be a great player, he is also very tall at 6"4 and a half him and Fellaini would terrify anyone in the league. Ideally I liked Muamba before he unfortunately went into a cardiac arrest, and now I'm almost sure he won't live up to his potential if he even decides to get back into the game.
Right mid is a position we've all doubted for the last 6 years since we signed Arteta. Coleman is a calamity there, If he puts a decent cross in, it's early and no one gets to it, if he puts a late one in, it goes right over the top, it's a lose lose situation for me. Aggressiveness and pace are definitely his better qualities, but the amount of times he gives the ball away, out of position or simply puts a needless challenge in the middle of the back take him out of contention for rightback for me. In a dream world, I would love to sign either Maggio or Zuniga, both are class defensive minded widemen, who are both trained in right back. Maggio and Zuniga currently play their 352 formation for Napoli like clockwork, so both would come at a very hefty price. Realistically Bakary Sako would be a great signing, young frenchman playing for St Etienne, scored 10 in 67 games from right mid, occasionally able to play a striker (we all know that will never happen).
Tony Hibbert or Phil Neville? Both are aging right backs and to put it kindly, apart from Hibbert having a slighting better cross, ****. Off the ball Hibbert contributes nothing, as much as I like him, he's one dimensional, he goes forward, he crosses it, he comes backwards, he goes forward and crosses it again, etc etc. Danny Simpson is probably the most Ideal signing for our right back worries, I'm sure he needs no introduction.
Wrote enough for a first, valued and informational post anyway
TL;DR my view on whats immediately wrong.
451 (False nine)
------------------Howard
---Simpson---Jagielka---Heitinga---Baines
Sako------Fellaini---N'Zonzi/Gibson---Pienaar/Drenthe
-------------------Barkley/Jelavic
-------------------Jelavic/Vellios
In the aftermath of yesterdays game I've been wondering what's definitely wrong with out team and what needs improving immediately. I think the biggest thing is the mentality, in too many draws and losses, we sit back and absorb everything and let the opposition do what they what, we have probably the best center midfielder in the premier league, him being Fellaini. He can't do it on his own though, he need the width and support from our team and we need more aggressive players. When we're drawing we simply switch off and take it, there is no breaking up of the play and there is no distributing the ball. We should use these last few games to experiment.
I think the biggest improvement we could make is buying another center midfielder similar to Lee Carsley, which will allow Fellaini more room to breathe and easily distribute it to the wings or forward. I think N'Zonzi would be a great purchase for next season, he has the potential to be a great player, he is also very tall at 6"4 and a half him and Fellaini would terrify anyone in the league. Ideally I liked Muamba before he unfortunately went into a cardiac arrest, and now I'm almost sure he won't live up to his potential if he even decides to get back into the game.
Right mid is a position we've all doubted for the last 6 years since we signed Arteta. Coleman is a calamity there, If he puts a decent cross in, it's early and no one gets to it, if he puts a late one in, it goes right over the top, it's a lose lose situation for me. Aggressiveness and pace are definitely his better qualities, but the amount of times he gives the ball away, out of position or simply puts a needless challenge in the middle of the back take him out of contention for rightback for me. In a dream world, I would love to sign either Maggio or Zuniga, both are class defensive minded widemen, who are both trained in right back. Maggio and Zuniga currently play their 352 formation for Napoli like clockwork, so both would come at a very hefty price. Realistically Bakary Sako would be a great signing, young frenchman playing for St Etienne, scored 10 in 67 games from right mid, occasionally able to play a striker (we all know that will never happen).
Tony Hibbert or Phil Neville? Both are aging right backs and to put it kindly, apart from Hibbert having a slighting better cross, ****. Off the ball Hibbert contributes nothing, as much as I like him, he's one dimensional, he goes forward, he crosses it, he comes backwards, he goes forward and crosses it again, etc etc. Danny Simpson is probably the most Ideal signing for our right back worries, I'm sure he needs no introduction.
Wrote enough for a first, valued and informational post anyway
TL;DR my view on whats immediately wrong.
451 (False nine)
------------------Howard
---Simpson---Jagielka---Heitinga---Baines
Sako------Fellaini---N'Zonzi/Gibson---Pienaar/Drenthe
-------------------Barkley/Jelavic
-------------------Jelavic/Vellios
We should make use of what we have if we can. As such i'd try and play Rodwell at RB, because i don't think he's good enough for RM and we certainly don't have enough money to fill both positions with guaranteed talent.
kenada_blue
Welcome to Barcelonaton FC
I've mentioned in the other thread that Joe Royal isn't that big a fan of Fellaini. He says he doesn't score or create much.
While I do think he is an awesome player, big Joe has a point. Which in turn made me think, what does he do? He's awesome at breaking up play...but then there seems to be the need to have Gibson behind him to make him play "better" at doing a job the player behind aka Gibson should do.
Theres a problem there IMO if we need to get the best from our team
While I do think he is an awesome player, big Joe has a point. Which in turn made me think, what does he do? He's awesome at breaking up play...but then there seems to be the need to have Gibson behind him to make him play "better" at doing a job the player behind aka Gibson should do.
Theres a problem there IMO if we need to get the best from our team
This is where were at unless there some change in ownership and while that's the case them Moyes will keep on getting top ten finishes and the media will continue to pay the head of plucky little Everton while Moyes picks up 65k a week and the people owning the club don't invest money in it.
There's the state of play and it doesn't look like changing at some point soon. A real shame as we're only a couple of players away from being a really decent team but we've been at this point for four out of the past five years.
We used to win stuff, that's what Everton was about. We've been conditioned to being plucky also rans.
There's the state of play and it doesn't look like changing at some point soon. A real shame as we're only a couple of players away from being a really decent team but we've been at this point for four out of the past five years.
We used to win stuff, that's what Everton was about. We've been conditioned to being plucky also rans.
chrismanduk
Player Valuation: £2.5m
spot on
About that patting on the head, always hurts more when it's supposedly one of our own.
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-n...e-gray-moyes-perfect-spurs-or-chelsea-169866?
Middle England treats talksport as gospel.
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-n...e-gray-moyes-perfect-spurs-or-chelsea-169866?
Middle England treats talksport as gospel.
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