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They're not fighting fire with fire. They are not inciting racial hatred or advocating police officers unlawfully kill white people indiscriminately too or demanding segregation. They are demanding equality and respect.
Can't believe it's even controversial.
You might want to look at their actual demands, or 'policy'. You are being far too vague on what they are and using overarching terms like "equality and respect" so as to not actually look at how radical a movement it is.
They are extremely left wing, extremely anti-law and order and anti-capitalist. They are the very definition of an extreme political movement.
https://policy.m4bl.org/platform/
I detest the concept of white supremacy, I am wholeheartedly in favour of more being done to help blacks in America in a system clearly levered against them. But this isn't the way to do it, because the counter-extremism they are adopting alienates the rational minded people in society who would be otherwise inclined to support them.
That's why they are fighting fire with fire, because they aren't conceptually rising above the gutter tactics of those who are their opposites; instead, they are dropping into the gutter with them.
tsubaki
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The clear implication of POC teachers not having to teach white students is educational segregation, though. The system wouldn't work any other way. I am not sure how anyone expects such a deep-seated problem with racism could ever be solved by white teachers teaching white students either.
nail, head.
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I don't think literally teaching, in a classroom, is what it's meant to suggest... though the lack of clarity and in-group signalling is itself pretty telling
Many of this silly jargon that's emerged - morbid phrases like "black bodies" etc - is written by academics for academics (though of course they'd never admit this...). So they need to check off a million different rhetorical posturing boxes before they actually get to the point, if at all. They just can't help themselves.
If I may be so clichéd as to quote Nietzche: "Whoever knows he is deep, strives for clarity; whoever would like to appear deep to the crowd, strives for obscurity. For the crowd considers anything deep if only it cannot see to the bottom: the crowd is so timid and afraid of going into the water."
Always happy to bring some laughter and sunshine into the day.
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tsubaki
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I think it goes much further than that (both the calls for segregation and the use of language), and has for some time tbh. Kenan Malik has done some excellent stuff on this, albeit only from a UK perspective - "Disunited Kingdom" probably being the best summary of it all (sadly it doesnt appear to be available online), where he managed to prove that (at least in terms of educational segregation) Lee Jasper and Nick Griffin were in broad agreement.
Not yet. Still cleaning my room.
Good to see fox and friends cracking down on the real story and venting their outrage at those damaging confederate memorials .
Just compared it to the Taleban and Stalinist Russia, I kid you not .
Just compared it to the Taleban and Stalinist Russia, I kid you not .
Not content with murdering Heather Heyer, the alt-right now want to slander her and protest at her funeral.
Just beneath contempt. nazi's acting like despicable scum though it's hardly a surprise is it ?
On National Public Radio’s Morning Edition today, Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe blamed the ACLU for the violence that took place on Saturday in Charlottesville.
“The City of Charlottesville asked for that to be moved out of downtown Charlottesville to a park about a mile and a half away to a park with a lot of open fields. That was the place where it should have been,” McAuliffe said. “We were unfortunately sued by the ACLU. The judge ruled against us. That rally should not have been in the middle of downtown.”
Apparently even our idiot governor doesn't understand the details of the case, or more generally, what the ACLU does--and does very well. (BTW: I voted for McAuliffe despite the fact that he's generally a buffoon--it was the lesser of two evils). The ACLU has been scapegoated so many times, they could open a goat-farm and have pastures on the left, right, and center.
ACLU response:
“We are horrified by the violence that took place in Charlottesville on Saturday and the tragic loss of life that resulted from it. The ACLU of Virginia does not support violence. We do not support Nazis. We support the Constitution and laws of the United States. We would be eager to work with the governor and the attorney general on efforts to ensure that public officials understand their rights and obligations under the law.
“But let’s be clear: our lawsuit challenging the city to act constitutionally did not cause violence nor did it in any way address the question whether demonstrators could carry sticks or other weapons at the events.
“We asked the city to adhere to the U.S. Constitution and ensure people’s safety at the protest. It failed to do so. In our system, the city makes the rules and the courts enforce them. Our role is to ensure that the system works the same for everyone.
“In the weeks after the July 8 protests, the city (working with the governor and others) had ample opportunity to put together a case and present it in court on its own motion justifying the revocation of the permit and the imposition of a prior restraint on speech. If the judge in our case had been presented with any credible evidence or testimony by the city of an imminent threat of harm (other than a list of internet entries) or evidence that the change in permit would, in fact, result in no demonstration in downtown Charlottesville, I have confidence that he would have denied the injunction, and the city would have been faced with enforcing the change of venue and protecting demonstrators and counter-demonstrators in two locations.
“Instead, the city’s pleadings said that its decision to revoke the permit was based primarily on the unmanageable numbers of people who would show up. An affidavit from the police chief said that they expected twice as many counter-protesters (2,000) as protesters (1,000). Yet, the city did not revoke the permits for the counter-protesters, too. In light of those facts, the judge couldn’t get beyond the fact that the city hadn’t revoked all permits for demonstrations downtown on Saturday.
“It is the responsibility of law enforcement to ensure safety of both protesters and counter-protesters. The policing on Saturday was not effective in preventing violence. I was there and brought concerns directly to the secretary of public safety and the head of the Virginia State Police about the way that the barricades in the park limiting access by the arriving demonstrators and the lack of any physical separation of the protesters and counter-protesters on the street were contributing to the potential of violence. They did not respond. In fact, law enforcement was standing passively by, seeming to be waiting for violence to take place, so that they would have grounds to declare an emergency, declare an ‘unlawful assembly’ and clear the area.
“Rather than seeking to scapegoat the ACLU of Virginia and the Rutherford Institute for the devastating events on Saturday, it is my firm hope and desire that the governor and other state and local officials will learn from this past weekend how constitutionally to prevent events like the horror we saw in Charlottesville from ever happening again.”
“The City of Charlottesville asked for that to be moved out of downtown Charlottesville to a park about a mile and a half away to a park with a lot of open fields. That was the place where it should have been,” McAuliffe said. “We were unfortunately sued by the ACLU. The judge ruled against us. That rally should not have been in the middle of downtown.”
Apparently even our idiot governor doesn't understand the details of the case, or more generally, what the ACLU does--and does very well. (BTW: I voted for McAuliffe despite the fact that he's generally a buffoon--it was the lesser of two evils). The ACLU has been scapegoated so many times, they could open a goat-farm and have pastures on the left, right, and center.
ACLU response:
“We are horrified by the violence that took place in Charlottesville on Saturday and the tragic loss of life that resulted from it. The ACLU of Virginia does not support violence. We do not support Nazis. We support the Constitution and laws of the United States. We would be eager to work with the governor and the attorney general on efforts to ensure that public officials understand their rights and obligations under the law.
“But let’s be clear: our lawsuit challenging the city to act constitutionally did not cause violence nor did it in any way address the question whether demonstrators could carry sticks or other weapons at the events.
“We asked the city to adhere to the U.S. Constitution and ensure people’s safety at the protest. It failed to do so. In our system, the city makes the rules and the courts enforce them. Our role is to ensure that the system works the same for everyone.
“In the weeks after the July 8 protests, the city (working with the governor and others) had ample opportunity to put together a case and present it in court on its own motion justifying the revocation of the permit and the imposition of a prior restraint on speech. If the judge in our case had been presented with any credible evidence or testimony by the city of an imminent threat of harm (other than a list of internet entries) or evidence that the change in permit would, in fact, result in no demonstration in downtown Charlottesville, I have confidence that he would have denied the injunction, and the city would have been faced with enforcing the change of venue and protecting demonstrators and counter-demonstrators in two locations.
“Instead, the city’s pleadings said that its decision to revoke the permit was based primarily on the unmanageable numbers of people who would show up. An affidavit from the police chief said that they expected twice as many counter-protesters (2,000) as protesters (1,000). Yet, the city did not revoke the permits for the counter-protesters, too. In light of those facts, the judge couldn’t get beyond the fact that the city hadn’t revoked all permits for demonstrations downtown on Saturday.
“It is the responsibility of law enforcement to ensure safety of both protesters and counter-protesters. The policing on Saturday was not effective in preventing violence. I was there and brought concerns directly to the secretary of public safety and the head of the Virginia State Police about the way that the barricades in the park limiting access by the arriving demonstrators and the lack of any physical separation of the protesters and counter-protesters on the street were contributing to the potential of violence. They did not respond. In fact, law enforcement was standing passively by, seeming to be waiting for violence to take place, so that they would have grounds to declare an emergency, declare an ‘unlawful assembly’ and clear the area.
“Rather than seeking to scapegoat the ACLU of Virginia and the Rutherford Institute for the devastating events on Saturday, it is my firm hope and desire that the governor and other state and local officials will learn from this past weekend how constitutionally to prevent events like the horror we saw in Charlottesville from ever happening again.”
I hope Obama attends the funeral. And I should add, I won't be surprised at all when Trump does not attend.
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